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Conflict REVOLUTION® 101

March 26, 2017
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Certified Conflict REVOLUTION® trainers

Cathy Kline and Robin Cordova

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Barbara: Good morning. It’s Sunday, March 26, 2017. I am Barbara With. You are here with me and the Party of 12. Partyof12.com is where you can find all things Einsteinian from beyond the grave, news from the Party of 12, and of course information about Conflict REVOLUTION, our imagined Einstein’s miraculous process for world peace, one person at a time, starting with you—or me. I’ll start with me, you start with you.

My mission this year with my 12-part 2017 Re-Boot Series is to visit places where Einstein’s path, that we’ve channeled and researched and experimented with for the past decades, crosses paths with other knowledge and other bodies of knowledge. To that end, I was prepared to have a wonderful woman on the show today, Leslie Stewart, an author and a channel who wrote a book entitled Trust and Allow the Process of Life In-Joy! I was looking forward to doing today’s show on joy.

But something came up that prompted me to move her appearance to the April show. I did a few coaching sessions and had a conflict of my own that inspired me to devote this today’s show to presenting Conflict REVOLUTION 101, the most basic way to teach Conflict REVOLUTION, step-by-step instructions aimed at absolute beginners—people who have never heard this information before. Even though I have geared it for beginners, this will also help out the rest of us who have been doing this process ad infinitum, some of us literally for decades. It will help us to remember the power of being a perpetual beginner. Sometimes when we’re lost in overwhelming, uncomfortable feelings and our thoughts are out of control, one way to make the shift back into control of your own domain and to start the revolution is to go back to square one, to start at the beginning, review what you know, and take baby steps as if you’re a beginner.

My challenge with this is that the unified field theory and the maps of human consciousness that I have presented over these past decades represent an enormously complex system. It works sequentially. Describing how matter is made manifest one step at a time from nothing into everything is a very big undertaking. I’m so close to it that I don’t trust myself to know what’s necessary and what’s not, because I’ll always go deep. It’s my nature. It all seems necessary to me.

I called up two of my certified coaches, Cathy Kline in Columbus, Ohio, and Robin Cordova, on Bainbridge Island in Washington state, to help me craft a simple vision. They’ll be joining us in a while to share some of their own Conflict REVOLUTION stories. I asked them each two things. First: “What is the simplest way to explain Conflict REVOLUTION? What are the bare, minimal elements of the whole huge unified field theory and the maps of human consciousness that are needed in order to show someone how to do it effectively?” Second: “How do we as trainers inspire you who are learning it, when you are in those moments and the bad emotions are surging and your thoughts are out of control, to take a different step and make a different decision that will move you toward your revolution?” Because those moments of overwhelming emotion and out-of-control thoughts are the place where we do the work of Conflict REVOLUTION.

ConRev is all about catching yourself in the act of making a decision that is not good for you. It’s about doing something different in that moment. When we change our energy that deeply, we are helping to change the way our entire system operates. The more we make conscious decisions in those moments, the more we’re working for the good of the whole, first of all for us and then for the entire situation. Each time it becomes easier in those conflicted moments to not only decide to make a different choice to do something else, but then to do it. That’s what it’s all about.

After my discussion with Cathy and Robin, we concluded that the bottom line was, “Give them step-by-step instructions that are simple and easy to understand and then teach through example.” The best way I can inspire anyone to do Conflict REVOLUTION is to do it myself, get the miraculous results, and then share that with people who need inspiration. Because the truth is, in that moment you are the only one who can make that decision. I can’t get into your head and make you think different things. I can’t force you to breathe emotion through your body. Only you can make that decision in that moment, and those are the hardest moments in which to make them.

So much of our culture and the way that people have traditionally resolved conflict is sitting down with the person and saying, “We need to talk through our issues.” Sometimes that works, for a while. But it doesn’t get very deep. The object of Conflict REVOLUTION is helping each individual find peace within the self, and in doing that, to contribute on a global level to the collective consciousness of peace as well.

I have several conflicts, the original conflicts that excited me and made me want to do this. Something happened a few days ago with Cathy where she was in that state of overwhelming emotion and runaway thoughts. We did a revolution, and it was so remarkable that I decided to revamp the conflict I’m going to bring—although there are so many good ones to share—and I want to ask those of you who are listening, whether it’s live or after the fact, to bring a conflict of your own to this session. It doesn’t have to be any particular conflict. You can learn Conflict REVOLUTION using any conflict you want, but I like to advise people to bring one that entails another human being, because it’s a lot easier to look in the mirror of another human being and see yourself than it is to look in the mirror of, say, war or financial crisis. It’s not impossible. I have done every kind of conflict under the sun. But if you use somebody who’s in your life, it’ll give you a better opportunity to see yourself.

Get a pad and paper. You’ll be writing things down. You can work your conflict along with us. At the end, you’ll have your own action plan, something that tomorrow morning before you get out of bed you can have right there by your bedside. You can start your day with a prayer of gratitude—“Thank you for another amazing, miraculous day of life. I fully intend—” set your intention—“to watch myself today,” and here’s your action plan of what you will do, the decisions you will make. Also name your conflict. That is the beginning of creating what we call sound bites. Sound bites are essential because your imagination and your intellect and your reasoning can talk to you ad nauseam about whatever you’re obsessed over in a conflict. You can go on and on in your head. We all have done it. When we start to develop sound bites, we’re paring down meanings, getting to a simpler place. Naming it is an important piece. Every conflict for me is a case study. I can say, “Ah, the Headache Project!” or “I’m a Liar!” and I know the whole conflict. So name your conflict.

We’re going to start with step-by-step instructions. Based upon my conversations with Robin and Cathy, this is what we have come up with as the simplest way to understand Conflict REVOLUTION. The first piece is that this is one-sided work. This is not conflict resolution, where you sit down and make sure you have good sentence structure and tone and you look in people’s eyes and try to resolve something. It’s not that. This is one-sided work. In fact, the ground rule is: your domain is your responsibility. It is not your responsibility to take care of somebody else’s conflict, and someone else is not responsible for taking care of your conflict. Your domain is your responsibility.

 The values that we use when we’re doing this one-sided work are:

  1. To be nonjudgmental. Remember, this is a science experiment. It’s not a priest telling you you’re bad or good.
  2. To have passion. In this life we have to train ourselves that we not only have the right to feel all of our feelings, but we have the responsibility to feel all of the emotion that is flowing through us. That’s what passion is. We’ll find out as we go forward that emotion is the creative juice of the manifestation of everything physical. But to us personally, it is our life force. It’s the first dimension in the building block of who we are.
  3. To have creativity. Remember, this is a creative process, so we’re looking outside the box, we’re pushing ourselves to think in new ways, we’re canoodling with metaphors that will reveal themselves to us.
  4. To have humor. If you can’t laugh at yourself, we will. You are free to laugh at me, because humor is so important in getting us out of a stuck place.

So when you find yourself being judgmental, shift over to a nonjudgmental point of view. One way to do that is, if you’re judging something to be bad, purposefully find the good in it. Or if you’re clinging to something that’s good, purposefully find the bad in it. Then you have the whole picture and you’re nonjudgmental. When you’re lacking passion, get in touch with emotion. That’ll get those juices flowing again. When you’re stuck, reach for your creativity.

This is the basic description that we’ll work with of who you are, the picture we’ll be painting. You have three human dimensions that work together to create your ability to have a human experience in the physical world. Think of it as a wave that starts at your feet, flows up through your body, all the way through the top of your head, and when it comes out there, it goes around again and starts again at your feet. There’s the flow of your life force. It’s like a string. The three human dimensions are Emotion, located in your solar plexus, Intuition, located in your heart or your chest area, and Intellect, located in your head.

Now you have three separate places that we’ll also begin to associate with those things so we can begin to separate those three human dimensions from one another. Because we have all been operating as if it’s just one big crazy mass of energy, and it’s hard to tell what Intellect is, what Emotion is. We’re thinking about a feeling, we’re thinking about a conflict, and we think we’re feeling it. There is some Emotion in there, there always is, but this will help us separate them and understand their roles clearly.

The last piece of this puzzle is what we call the Witness. That is the part of you that has the ability to step back and watch your Emotion, Intuition, and Intellect, to observe those three human dimensions. Maybe you’d call that the observer of self. Maybe you’re looking at your human self from your soul self. Maybe it might feel like dissociation. That Witness will help facilitate making decisions in those conflicted moments.

Very basically, Emotion, or feelings, in the solar plexus is not just what we typically think of as emotions—sadness, happiness, joy, anger. In my new book Einstein et al., there are two pages in nine-point type on Emotion. There’s a huge range of Emotion. We’ve been taught to only feel the good ones, and even that—I was never taught how to do that effectively. But in Conflict REVOLUTION we’ll learn how to feel the entire range of feelings. That’s a way to get the flow moving. We want to have a circular flow of our string constantly moving through us like water. Emotion is the fuel, the primordial soup, as it were, of energy that’s the beginning step of the creation of the physical world through our bodies, our perception of it. At that level there’s no thinking, no reasoning, no reasons why you feel this way, there’s nothing to do about it. There’s just pure, unadulterated Emotion.

As that flow moves up into the heart, where Intuition is situated, we have Emotion now becoming a voice. Our emotions guide us, and Intuition becomes the voice of what we call Compassion. In Conflict REVOLUTION, Compassion is the fifth fundamental force of the universe, the intelligence within us that is impelling the creation of the physical world—the garden, the earth—one step at a time, starting with zero and sequentially walking into the infinity of the universe. Compassion, among other things, impels us to work for the good of the whole system. You might call it God, Goddess, the universe. It is the life force that at its root is programmed to take care of all parts of the entire system, creating all parts of it.

Within you, the voice of Intuition is telling you the next step to take, the next decision to make that will be good for the whole situation that you’re in at that moment. It’s important to redefine Intuition here as something that first of all, everyone has as part of their functioning system, and secondly, is meant to tell you what to do in present moment. It’s always sending you signals: “Beat, heart. Breathe,” those kinds of subliminal impelling. It’s always telling you the next thing you can do that will be best for the whole situation. Making decisions for the good of the whole, that’s Compassion. You take care of yourself first and you look outside and see everything else that’s needed and you make a decision to the best of your ability that will benefit the whole situation. That’s what we’re looking for here.

It starts with the three human dimensions. When we understand how they all work together and we begin by taking care of ourselves, we come back to the physical world whole, aligned to Compassion, ready to be a peacemaker, ready to contribute to world peace, not just working from our ego or what we think should be intellectually.

You’ve got Emotion that flows up into your chest area and becomes Intuition, and it’s impelling you to take a step. When it flows up into the Intellect, that’s where all of the descriptions of the physical world lie. So within you you have Emotion that will be the chair. As it flows up into your heart and your Intuition says to that part of you, “Go be a chair,” and it gets into your Intellect, there’s a description. It starts out, “I am a green chair sitting in the corner in Wisconsin in 2017.” But then it flips, like the lens of an eye or a revolution, to, “That is a chair in the corner.” That is a very basic explanation of how these three dimensions work. All of this is projected through and perceived by your body. Even though the chair is in the corner over there, it begins within you.

What happens in the Intellect, however, is that imagination comes in, rationalization, patterns of thinking you don’t even know you have that were drilled into you as a child, as a baby, even. And for those of you who believe in past lives, sometimes we have thoughts, feelings, senses, memories, and energies of past lives coming through us, infiltrating our thinking process. So when you are triggered by a negative emotion, you also trigger degenerative thoughts that wed to that emotion, and that becomes a reality.

I was working with a woman the other day who was saying, “I’m so mad because S. will never, ever, ever stay one minute longer for her shift to help out. She just won’t do it.” I said, “Did you ask her?” “Well, no.” “Why don’t you?” So she called her. “Oh, yes, I’d be happy to!” How long would that woman have walked around with an angry emotion married to the thought that S. never does anything? How does that affect her relation with S.?

Our job here is to keep all emotions flowing, listen to the intuitive impelling, and then Intellect, instead of rationalizing and projecting and getting all clogged up with imagination, is meant to hear that impelling of Intuition and make the decision to take action to fulfill the intuitive impelling. Because here’s the catch: free will operates in the intellectual arena. You don’t make a decision with your solar plexus or with your heart. You implement decision-making in your intellectual area. That’s where free will takes place. Your Intuition can be telling you, “Rest,” but your Intellect can be saying, “No, I can’t rest. I don’t have time to rest. If I rest, bad things will happen.” You make the decision to keep working. That is the basic kind of conflict that we first resolve within ourselves—and it changes everything.

We’ll hear some stories in a minute from the trainers about how they’ve used it and the miraculous outcomes they’ve had. I could write a whole case study book about the miraculous outcomes when we do this work. When I say “miracle,” I mean facilitating a result that I could not have facilitated by going directly into the arena of the conflict. I could not have facilitated this outcome that came up had I sat down with my client and talked to the issues. That’s the miracle. Those are the miracles we’ll create.

The Witness part of you also operates in the intellectual arena. It’s stepping back, taking notes. “Look at me thinking I can’t do that. Look at me being judgmental. Look at all that deep anxiety in my solar plexus. Listen, there’s Intuition telling me what to do.” The Witness, the observer, has the ability to inspire you to make those different decisions. When you know what decisions you should be making, it doesn’t guarantee that you’ll make them, but it’s a much easier step to be inspired to make them.

With all that said, I’ll share my conflict. It’s called “Assumptions and Miscommunications.” This will be an epic conflict for the rest of my life because I learned so much through it. The one I was originally going to do was a woman I was coaching with a miraculous outcome. She named hers “Tiptoeing through the Minefields of Facebook.” I thought, “Raise your hand if you’ve never been triggered by something somebody said on Facebook.” Of course, no one has a hand up. So we’ll focus on this and then bring on Robin and Cathy in a minute.

I was coaching Maxinne one-to-one on Conflict REVOLUTION. Here’s something I learned a long time ago: when I coach, I need to have my own conflict that I’m focused on, because there’s a 75% chance that when I coach someone, I will be triggered. I learned this when Teresa McMillian, one of the co-founders and co-authors, my dear friend, years ago finally decided to use Conflict REVOLUTION to address her migraines, which were frequent and horrible. She asked me if I would help coach her. We called her conflict “The Headache Project.” I quickly discovered that I was being triggered by my sister. My sister and I had a lifelong conflict. She gave me a headache. So I could call it the “Headache Project,” and we could get a two-fer.

This is what happened with Maxinne. She has a massage therapy business, and because of some limitations she’s going through right now, she can’t do massages. Her revenue is dependent on the massage therapists who work through her office. She gets a cut of that. We were doing the training. She had an active conflict. She understood that she was working to learn how to make decisions for the good of the whole. She arranged for her massage therapist Judy to have a reading with me. I asked, “Phone or Skype?” She said, “I want to come in person.” I don’t do many readings in person any more, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I honored it because she was Maxinne’s friend.

We made an appointment. The only time that we could do it was if she came to where I was staying at 4:00 and we were done by 5:30 because my hostess was coming home and there was no privacy to do the reading. At 10:00 the morning of the reading, Maxinne got a request for a massage that afternoon that would have put Judy to my place at 4:30 or 5:00. She texted me and said, “Can you move the reading? Can she get there at 5:00?” I said, “No, I can’t, but I can do it by phone.” And I thought, understanding what was going on, that they would definitely take the walk-in traffic and we could reschedule by phone. In my mind that was what was for the good of the whole. So I said, “Have her call me, we’ll reschedule. We’ll do it by phone. It’s no big deal.”

I didn’t hear from anyone, and I just assumed that that’s what they did, because money was the big trigger. She needed money. “Yeah, get money, let’s be abundant, this is wonderful!” So I changed my plans. At 4:00 I was walking out the door, and a woman was walking up and down the sidewalk. Turned out to be Judy, right on time—early, in fact. I got triggered in that moment. I told her, “I thought you had canceled.” She said no. I did the reading. When I asked what she wanted, she didn’t seem as if she were in emotional distress. She just wanted to see what channeling was. That triggered me a bit, like I was on display. But it was a beautiful reading. I did my quick revolution and really enjoyed the reading. She was buoyed by it.

Later that night, I got an email from Maxinne. She was pissed. She said, “Why could you not have moved her appointment to 5:00? I just lost $80? How is that good for the whole?”

That’s my conflict.

Right now, I want to bring on Robin Cordova, who is also going to share some of her work and her conflict, and then we’ll do ours together, and then we’ll bring Cathy on and she’ll also share.

Good morning, Robin, how are you today?

Robin Cordova, certified Conflict REVOLUTION® coach, Founder of the I Thrive Revolution

Robin: Good morning, Barbara, I’m great! Thank you.

Barbara: I want to ask you a question before we get into your conflict. How do you experience the Witness? When I do my Witness, I feel schizophrenic, like I have two voices in my head. But I’m OK with it, because I know what it is. How do you experience the Witness?

Robin: That’s a good visual. I experience it as a healthy split. I know that part of me is splitting off to step outside of myself and pay attention to what’s happening around me, listening to my thoughts and my feelings. I try to make sure to ground myself as well.

Barbara: Ah, good idea! How do you do that?

Robin: I use the circle visualization that you explained in the opening. That’s the most powerful thing when I feel off-center or woozy from becoming a Witness. I ground with that circle visualization that you guided us there at the beginning.

Barbara: Great. What conflict are you bringing?

Robin: A long-time coworker and I, someone I’ve been working with for about 15 years, we live in different states. When we work together, most of our contact is via phone. Sometimes we’ll be in person together, but primarily it’s via phone. We architect and sell mission-critical computer systems, and often our projects take months. They’re difficult. There are a lot of obstacles. In my opinion, the only way to get through them is to be optimistic, to have perseverance, to be grateful for things that are going well, to stay focused and hopeful and work toward solutions. That’s the only way we’ll get through.

Robin: We were going through about a year where things weren’t going well. We had a corporate customer where things were crashing. When systems crash, corporations lose millions of dollars every minute, and it can become quite stressful. When we’d get on the phone, instead of trying to focus on what went well and how we could solve the problem, he wanted to rant and complain and rage and express his frustration at things that were out of his control. Often, especially during this period when we were going through a difficult time, we were talking daily. He’d spend an extra 20 minutes on the phone with me beyond the purpose of the call just to dump all of his negative emotions on me. I’d end up switching into a coaching rescue mode. There’s a difference between coaching and rescuing.

Robin: Coaching is a healthy function; rescuing is an unhealthy function. I was finding myself in the unhealthy function of trying to rescue him and bring him back up emotionally and take on more than my responsibility and trying to fix things and make it OK. I’d hang up zapped of energy. I’ll get to the emotion when we’re ready for that part.

Barbara: Did you name your conflict?

Robin: Yes: “Mr. Downer.”

Barbara: (laughs) That’s good! So we’ve got your “Mr. Downer” and my “Assumptions and Miscommunications.” We’ve laid them out. For those of you who are doing this at home, you can start to see as we move forward what we’ll do with all this information. We’ll identify the three human dimensions within the conflict. It doesn’t matter where you start putting your matrix together. This will be your action plan when you get done. I wouldn’t suggest starting with Intuition. That’s hard, especially if you have an active conflict and you have emotions and thoughts going on. It’s hard to winnow out what the intuitive message is. I’ll start with the intellectual sound bites. The reason we create sound bites is because the imagination and the Intellect can run crazy wild all over you, and you get lost in it.

Barbara: We’re trying to pare down the whole story of the conflict into one or two sentences about what is really bugging you here with the root of the problem with Mr. Downer. What is my problem with Maxinne? You get them so they’re small so a) you can remember them and b) you can call upon them in those times when we get to the process a little later on.

Barbara: For me, [the conflict with Maxinne] was a very easy conflict to parboil down to intellectual sound bites, and one of the great things for me was how quickly I did it. It happened after I stopped. My intellectual sound bites were, “She’s making all kinds of assumptions. She’s not communicating very well.” For a brief time, my Intellect went to, “You know, she never called me back to confirm. She assumed that I did this and that.” But quickly, those two sound bites helped guide me to the next step. My Emotion was irritation, anger, confusion, frustration, impatience. For those of you who are doing this, when you’re trying to identify the emotion of it, don’t go into the reasons why you think you feel this. That’s an intellectual activity. We are looking just to identify and isolate the emotion around this conflict. They should be one-word answers. Robin, how did you get to your intellectual sound bites?

Robin: That’s a good reminder, to separate the Intellect and just focus on the Emotion. I’ll start there. I was feeling furious and outraged and resentful, quite frankly, drained of energy, and that’s what made me feel resentful. Exasperated. I would assign fairly strong emotions in this particular conflict.

Barbara: What about the intellectual sound bite?

Robin: The intellectual sound bite was, “He’s so pessimistic. He’s always hopeless. He brings me down and drains me. And he doesn’t care about the burden he puts on me.”

Barbara: Oh, gosh, I’ve had sound bites like that. (laughs) “They just don’t understand me!”

Robin: (laughs) Exactly!

Barbara: When we’re trying to find the Intuition, it’s a little trickier. Sometimes you can try to think of what Jesus would tell you to do, what a great spiritual leader would tell you to do, what your best friend who knows you and loves you and is kind would tell you to do, what your caring mother would tell you to do if you can’t figure it out. Oftentimes we get into places where we have intense emotions and thoughts about the other person, and it’s hard to separate those out.

Barbara: For me, very quickly, I heard, “Look at yourself.” It’s a form of, “Do the work, do the revolution, do your process.” Because I know that when I do the process, I get the miracle. What will inspire me to do that process when I’m in that place? That was to look at myself and to be kind. Those were the two intuitive messages. And remember also that Intuition is a small, declarative statement that will tell you to do something and that it’s about the next step to take. We can’t figure out what Intuition will tell you to do when you get into a situation. It’s all about present moment and what that Intuition is picking up about the situation and what’s good for the whole. Here we’ll imagine that it’ll work that way, but just understand, as you go forward with your Intuition, that it’s all about what will happen in present moment, not what will happen next week. What was your Intuition telling you?

Robin: There are two branches that came out of this. The first nugget of Intuition I received was to set up boundaries. That was the very first thing I needed to do. It was not my responsibility to make him happy. That was a direct action that I had to take for this conflict, but it wasn’t the full revolution.

Barbara: We’ll get to that in a minute.

Robin: Initially, my Intuition said, “Set up boundaries.” It was a nugget of three words. That was my first step.

Barbara: So now we have our matrix. We have our intellectual sound bites. We have identified what our emotions are. We did some conjecture about what Compassion would want us to do for the good of the whole. I’ll introduce Cathy in a minute, but I want to get to two things about the intellectual sound bites. Our next step is to revolve those sound bites back onto us. “I had poor communication. I was making assumptions.” In this case you would revolve yours to figure out that you had hopelessness, right?

Robin: Yes. And I had to find where I was also pessimistic, which originally was, “I’m not pessimistic! I’m the most optimistic person I know!” (laughs) I’ll get to that more later.

Barbara: For those of you doing this at home, create that revolved sound bite and have that ready. I want to bring on Cathy right now and have her share some things that went on, and then we’ll all rev this together and give you an idea of how it works across the board. Good morning, Cathy!

Cathy Kline, Certified Conflict REVOLUTION® trainer, freelance editor and ghost writer, licensed massage therapist

Cathy: Good morning! I’m doing great, how are you?

Barbara: Good.

Cathy: I would like to share that I loved how Robin talked about the rescuer and the coach, because it’s so easy for me to slip from one to the other. As far as Conflict REVOLUTION for me, when we first learned this years ago, the thing I learned that helped me the most was that I was talking about and thinking about my feelings versus feeling and breathing them through my body. And understanding the differences, a clear definition about Emotion, Intellect, and Intuition helped me to go forward and made my life much easier. Barbara spoke about leading by example. I had an experience yesterday that was so interesting. I have a conflict that I’ve named “Being Blocked from All Directions.” That’s where I had a Con Rev within a Con Rev. The other one is called “No Longer Being Here.” That’s about my daughter Lori and my son-in-law Craig.

Cathy: Yesterday morning I was working with my friend Tammy getting to a core issue that was preventing her from manifesting the money, the job, the home, the man. She felt like she was being blocked from all directions. We were going through the process of Conflict REVOLUTION, and she stopped and said, with much passion, “You’re blocking me also. Why do you do that? I’ve watched you receiving help from all your other friends, and yet you’ve blocked every offer I give you. I offered to cook a meal for you, do the dishes, help you during chemo, but you deny my help. Why do you do that?” That was a case where when you talk about how you can come into Conflict REVOLUTION at any level, I’m not even sure I had a conscious sound bite, but I went right into the feeling and the breathing.

Barbara: Because you were obviously triggered?

Cathy: Yes. “What is my truth? What can I tell her? What can I answer her?” I didn’t want to hurt her feelings. I had the back story. I told myself that the reason for not letting her help me was that she hadn’t been through cancer or chemo and she was unable to understand and give me the support I needed. But right there, I went into feeling and breathing so I could get to my intuitive message.

Barbara: What was it?

Cathy: “Tell her the truth.” And at that moment, the truth came to me: “I don’t trust you.” To be able to tell her—because we had a past experience that was a misunderstanding. She thought I was sleeping with her boyfriend and sent terrible text messages demanding that I confess to her. She was so convinced that I was guilty that it got really ugly. We had become friends again, but I had kept her at arm’s length and refused to accept any help she was offering me because I was so angry that I didn’t trust her enough to let her all the way in. That was so empowering. And then talk about leading by example: in the middle of coaching her through her conflict, I had to stop and feel and breathe to help us go forward.

Barbara: Let’s leave that one right there and go to the one we worked on.

Cathy: Friday I had a call from my daughter. She was crying. She was afraid that her husband was dead. Her phone had died. She had to borrow a phone to call me. There was no way for her to go home. She had left for work that morning and couldn’t find him anywhere. He had been threatening, “You’ll miss me when I’m gone.” She had to go to work. She checked the house, the barn, couldn’t find him anywhere. She goes to work and she’s devastated all day long because she doesn’t know whether he’s alive or dead. That’s why I called that conflict “No Longer Being Here.”

Cathy: I dropped what I was doing and drove over and checked on him and found out that he was still there. He had hid from her that morning when she left for work to make her feel bad. He figured once he was dead, she would miss him when he was gone, and by hiding from her, it gave her a taste of that.

Cathy: I was so overwhelmed with how to deal with that the next day that I had to go back to Conflict 101 and call you, Barbara, and ask for some guidance through this because I was so frustrated myself I couldn’t get my sound bites. When we finally got to them, they were, “He was good at manipulating. He wasn’t helping the situation. And what if he wasn’t here any more?”

Barbara: Wow!

Cathy: Those are my sound bites.

Barbara: What was the Emotion? This is really intense.

Cathy: Completely overwhelmed, frustrated. This goes back to how I want to be the rescuer, so I go in and try to fix the situation. Overwhelmed and frustrated. It was so overwhelming I couldn’t think clearly.

Barbara: Were you angry?

Cathy: Oh, yes! Angry, frustrated, annoyed, disappointed.

Barbara: When we get overwhelmed, sometimes we have all the feelings super-sized.

Cathy: Yes.

Barbara: What intuitive message was in this conflict?

Cathy: I had to ask for help. That’s why I called and asked for guidance through this. Even though I automatically know this process and it comes to me so quickly and I go through it without even consciously knowing what I’m doing sometimes, this one blocked me so much that when I stopped to feel and breathe, the intuitive message was, “Ask for help.”

Barbara: It’s interesting, as an aside, how these two conflicts involve asking for help.

Cathy: (laughs) Yes!

Barbara: When Cathy and I talked in the morning, originally we were going to talk about the layout of the show, but then she came in this state and asked me to coach her. I shared with her the content I had already formulated talking about with Robin, and we thought it was a wonderful opportunity to show in real time that this really works. You were the guinea pig, in that place where emotions were intense and thoughts were out of control. You were having the conflict and we were breaking down the pieces at the same time. Oftentimes when somebody’s in a training session or a workshop, they’re not actively engaged. It’s not a triage moment. It’s an intellectual story. But you were in that moment. When we got to the place where we said, “Let’s imagine what the Intuition would have told you to do,” all we had to do was look back and identify what that was, and it was, “Ask for help.” And you asked for help. It’s beautiful how Conflict REVOLUTION becomes an operating system, and not only does your Intuition tell you to ask for help, but then your Intellect dials the phone to get the help. You don’t have to say, “I don’t need help.”

Cathy: And yes, thank you for helping me define this, because I’m still in the middle of processing all of that. It just happened this weekend. Just trying to explain it to someone, I appreciate your help in clarifying what we’re going through with this. And it works.

Barbara: And also—and I think Robin will address this as well—my conflict happened very quickly and was revolved and resolved quickly, and I quickly got to the miraculous place that I’ll share in a minute. But more often than not, it takes time to do this. In talking about, say, Mr. Downer, Robin, now that you’ve had the revolution back to yourself, I think we need to share what the process is that we now do. There are two components to it. One is to deal with Emotion in a new way: to breathe it, not to analyze it. The other is to change the thought to which the Emotion is marrying itself to create your reality and then change the thinking process. These are two big things. These aren’t easy to do. Tell us about processing Mr. Downer.

Robin: It went off into two branches. That’s why I wanted to share that conflict. It will help people to see that sometimes we have to work things in multiple ways. With him, I had to take action steps to get that relationship to a healthy place. That required setting up boundaries and seeing that my kindness is helpful for people, but that there’s a shadow side to kindness, too. We let ourselves be taken advantage of, we feel that we have to take responsibility for someone else’s happiness.

Robin: For him, I needed to set up healthy boundaries and take myself out of that responsibility because I needed my energy to solve the technical issues of what was going on. It wasn’t my responsibility to prop him up. But then I had to step back into the Witness and work with the deeper sound bites, which were the pessimism and hopelessness. At first I couldn’t see it in my life. There are so many areas in my life where I’m very optimistic. I had to step back further into the Witness and ask the greater part of me, “Show me where I’m pessimistic.” I think oftentimes when we’re not seeing it we can ask that greater part of ourselves to show us, and then step further into the Witness and watch what comes up and look for deeper intuitive messages.

Robin: Over time, I found that it was in the intimate relationship part of my life. Not my work life, not my life as a mother, a coach, an athlete. All of those things I’m very hopeful and optimistic in. But when I think about going out on a date or feeling that I was somehow going to be successful in a romantic relationship in my life, I wasn’t hopeful. I was pessimistic. That’s where my work was.

Barbara: That’s a great illustration of why conflicts are so hard to address. When you see something like this, you realize that his trigger of you into this place was your energy calling you to look way over here at a place that had nothing to do with him. How long do you think this went on?

Robin: I talked with you about it several times during this period, and I’m a year in right now. It was right at this time last year when I realized I need to set boundaries. It took some time to work with the Emotion, to realize where the pessimism was, and to come up with an action plan. I’m just now starting to make some headway in both a new relationship with my coworker—because I still have to work with him—and a new relationship with my own optimism and hopefulness in the romantic relationship area of my life. It takes time and patience and being committed to self-love and self-compassion. That’s crucial for this work.

Barbara: You brought up this question, and then Cathy brought it up, and as you were talking I was thinking about some conflicts I have about when we want to be nice. I had a year-long conflict called “The Kitchen Dishes.” My roommate was leaving dishes in the sink. You would have thought I could just say, “Hey, can you clean up your dishes?” But I couldn’t. I was being hammered in my brain about how small I was that I wouldn’t just wipe off this bowl for her, thinking I wasn’t being nice enough, I was so selfish. While you were trying to set those boundaries, were you struggling with some of those kinds of voices?

Robin: Definitely! Having to do things I wouldn’t normally do, such as let his calls go to voicemail so that I could listen to the message and stay focused on doing a good job with just the technical part. My job isn’t to prop him up emotionally, it’s to work the issues. I didn’t have to spend 20 extra minutes on the phone working through his emotion and then be so drained that I couldn’t do my job well.

Barbara: Getting back to the moments where we’re feeling Emotion, we have the Intuition. “I’m going to set some boundaries.” You let it roll to voicemail, where you were making a decision to set a boundary, to do things differently, but there’s anxiety, shame, and thoughts about how you’re not a nice person.

Robin: Exactly.

Barbara: This is why it can take a year or more sometimes, and this is one reason why I was inspired to do this show, because Maxinne came back after her first night of feeling and breathing and noticing these terrible thoughts, and she said, “I was feeling and breathing all night and nothing changed.”

Robin: And then she gets into a cycle of being hard on herself.

Barbara: Yes. This is our pattern. But with her, I said that there might not be a change in that moment, but what’s different is, you’re observing yourself now. That’s the first step. When you observe and experiment, it changes. The very fact that she’s observing it is a beginning step.

Robin: Yes. We have to honor the process, not the results, praise ourselves for the process. Like you’ve said many times, we are building a new operating system. It’ll take time. We’re reworking our brains, our thinking process. To learn to stop, to feel, to breathe, to step into the Witness, to honor the small steps is so crucial.

There’s another thing you’ve always said that was very helpful, too: using the question “Is this regenerative or degenerative?” When you get a moment of, “Oh, I’m not kind enough. This feels awkward,” when we’re growing, it will feel awkward, because we’re doing something different, so we’ll feel a little bit awkward. Ask yourself, “Is this a regenerative or a degenerative step?” If it’s regenerative, it’s probably good for the whole.

Barbara: Yes. In this instance, the phone rings and you see it’s your coworker, you let it go to voicemail, which is making a decision for the good of all, but you’re still feeling bad, thinking bad thoughts, but you’ve made that decision.

Robin: Good point. That happens in the free will. “This feels awkward because you pride yourself on doing a good job and not letting people down.” But you’re only stopping the degenerative part. I was still planning to hear the voicemail and respond to what was needed, but I didn’t have to put myself on the phone for 20 minutes in a degenerative state.

Barbara: Right. And in the case of my “Kitchen Dishes” conflict, after a year of it, I was embarrassed to talk about it to anybody who knows Conflict REVOLUTION. When I finally got the aha moment and the miracle, I was talking to my sister about it, and she reminded me that when I was little, my mother used to work long hours, and I would clean up the whole kitchen. She would come home after a 12-hour workday and find the one thing I didn’t do and yell at me.

Robin: Ah!

Barbara: And when I got that, I was able to go back to my roommate and start the conversation, “Hey, would you mind if we—?” She got a little defensive, and suddenly I’m weeping and we are having the best conversation! She said, “Don’t ever, ever, ever not tell me these things.” So we built trust, and it was all divine timing. Since then our relationship has deepened so much that I don’t want her to go. I used to be like, “I’m glad I have a roommate, I love her, but I wish I lived alone.” Now I think, “No! Don’t leave me!” (laughs)

Barbara: Cathy, tell me what happened after we talked and you had the thing happen with Tammy. What about the conflict with your son-in-law?

Cathy: Let me close up the conflict we were working called “Being Blocked in All Directions.” My question was, “What is my truth?” So “What is my truth with Tammy?” follows into “What is my truth with my family?” Not only did my being asked to tell her the truth—that I didn’t trust her and why I didn’t—help open up the tensions and the blocks in my relationship with Tammy, but it helped her. We did more Con Rev on her story, and she had a breakthrough to realize that in the incident where she felt like I and everybody else were blocking her, this is a core issue. She’s feeling people blocking her from all directions from her abundance. Maybe that will be the change and she’ll open up those blocks and start healing on a new level so she can get her abundance on all levels.

Cathy: Going back to “What is my truth?,” when I come back to the story with Craig and Lori, maybe Craig was threatening to commit suicide, and instead of my being so angry and frustrated with this “evil” man, what if he’s the person who is showing Lori that she can be a different way so she no longer wants to commit suicide but wants to figure out how to get through her life without so much conflict? The fact that he is threatening and she is saying, “No, don’t do this,” that’s their conflict. So I’m thinking all along that this is their problem, when my truth is, my biggest fear and my deepest core issue is my fear of dying, of no longer being there.

Cathy: Going through that, I feel like I’m able to look at my issues of dying. My first husband was threatening to kill me, and now chemo is threatening to kill me, cancer is threatening to kill me, so how do I get what I want in life? I’m realizing that maybe I don’t need cancer any more to get what I want out of life. I’m still processing all of this.

Barbara: Yeah, wow!

Cathy: You can see how this all ties together! All this weekend I was like, “Whoa!” (laughs)

Barbara: A back story is that you’ve been dealing with Lori, who is suicidal, and she’s just recently decided that she wants to live and she’s been struggling to establish a life for herself and making better decisions. Craig is basically committing a slow suicide in front of everyone.

Cathy: Thank you for articulating that!

Barbara: And you and I talked about how Craig is Lori’s—as Carlos Castaneda used to call it—“petty tyrant.” He is the impetus who is pushing her, giving her the platform to rise above that behavior in herself. He’s playing an important role for her right now, even though they may not end up married. He might kill himself. He might not. You’re seeing Lori changing her life, obviously influenced by being raised watching her father trying to kill her mother and do harm to her. She’s breaking that pattern, and now it’s coming back to you, when you’re on chemo for cancer. We’ve done some work since you were diagnosed and chose to get chemo. That was breathtaking, because I know you want to live. But it seemed like when we revolved—and now we’ll get to the last revolution of the sound bites—“What if he’s not here any more? What if you’re not here any more? I want to be here.”

Cathy: Right.

Barbara: “I want to live.”

Cathy: Like I said, I was thinking it was all their problem. I didn’t realize what core issue of my own I was bringing to the surface.

Barbara: Yes.

Cathy: Very powerful!

Barbara: Yes! Going back to my quick conflict, “I’m miscommunicating. I’m making assumptions.” When I asked myself what assumptions I was making and where I was not communicating well, oh, my gosh! First of all, I assumed that Maxinne and Judy canceled the appointment. I didn’t communicate well on why Judy couldn’t have come at 5:00. When I said to the universe, “Show me now as I move forward where I make assumptions,” I saw that I make assumptions all day long!

At that moment, every time I started to make an assumption about Maxinne or Judy, I stopped and said, “Wait a minute. Show me what the answer to this question is. Why did we have to do it in person? I assumed that Judy was curious and wanted to take advantage of—no! Why?” And then I realized that she had never seen a channel. A lifelong goal of hers was to be in the presence of someone who channels. She’s heard about them. She’s read them. Maxinne has told her, and now here’s a woman she trusts, because Maxinne is one of her best friends, and it’s really important for her to get there at 4:00 to be in the same space because this may not come again.

Barbara: When I realized that, without making an assumption about why she wanted it to be in-person, it came to me. Oh, so even though I thought it was best for the whole if they took the money, that extra money she would have made wasn’t nearly as important as getting to that appointment to be in the presence of a channel. This was like a treasure hunt. There was no shame involved, no degenerative voice in my head saying, “What’s wrong with you? You always make assumptions!” There was no icky feeling. There was the joy of discovery. And by the next day, Maxinne, too, was observing and making different decisions and thinking different thoughts and feeling and breathing, and we were able to put together all of our assumptions, and we got the big picture. We said, “Look at this! We never would have been able to do this without Conflict REVOLUTION!”

Barbara: And then it continued when I went to New Orleans and my friend never called me back. I could use this, not make assumptions, not respond, and the long and short of it was, I had her phone blocked and I didn’t even know it! I could have done a big thing about her failings, but I didn’t. I had a great time, even though she wasn’t there.

Barbara: Let’s go to Robin. When you found those places in your love life where you were pessimistic and hopeless, where did that take you?

Robin: That’s the beauty of Conflict REVOLUTION: you often end up solving something that’s very deep and meaningful. That’s why the Emotion is so strong. In my case, I had to look at how I build up hopefulness in my life and realize that this is something I truly valued and wanted in my life and had not been successful in. That was sad. That was creating a sense of hopelessness. Pessimistic thinking is often aligned with feeling personally flawed. In my case I was feeling unworthy and unlovable. It sent me back to doing some inner child healing work for being hopeful. I then worked towards setting some goals, like we talked about in January, setting goals and pathways that were achievable for me and that worked for me. I’m still working on these things, but I’m much more hopeful and optimistic now because I could see the problem clearly, which I might not have been able to do without the Conflict REVOLUTION process.

Barbara: Without Mr. Downer?

Robin: Yeah, without Mr. Downer!

Barbara: Bless him!

Robin: And that’s where we have to ask how we can be grateful. I just want to say, Cathy, you’re so brave to come on the show and talk about these vulnerable things that you’re right in the middle of.

Cathy: Thank you.

Robin: I want to acknowledge that, because I have been working on this conflict that I’m sharing for a year. I’m excited for you and the beautiful things that will unfold. I’m busy with the work now, coming back to going into the Witness. How is this going? Am I feeling and breathing and paying attention to those thoughts? Not letting myself tell myself I’m flawed and unworthy and unlovable?

Cathy: Thank you, Robin. For me, the process of Con Rev is amazingly powerful. When we go forward creating our lives, my main goal is to consistently ask to be aware. I want to be aware of when I’m not telling the truth to other people and especially to myself. I want to be aware when I’m feeling fear and sorry for myself and afraid of not being here any more, to be able to step back and be the Witness, the observer who can see when I’m cheating myself out of a lovely life because of all my bullshit.

Barbara: What was interesting about our work yesterday was when you said, “This cancer has caused me to ask for more help, and I’m finding out how loved I am.”

Cathy: It’s so huge. I don’t have to create cancer to know that people love me and care about me. I have been given so many gifts, from emotional support to money to gifts to food to people helping me, driving me to my appointments. I lost my 12-year-old granddaughter to cancer last year. I went through depression that I didn’t realize I was going through, feeling like I didn’t have any purpose in life any more, not realizing why, not realizing I was in depression. I was pulling myself away from the world and not doing anything or going anywhere. Creating the cancer has opened me up to realizing, “Wow, I don’t need to have an illness to go forward with my goals.”

Barbara: And when you were describing all the things you were gaining from having the cancer, my response was, “I have all those things, and I don’t have cancer. I feel so loved.”

Cathy: I know!

Barbara: That was sort of an Aha! for both of us.

Cathy: Yes, yes! We all want to be loved and accepted and adored and cradled and happy! (laughs)

Barbara: Have you created any kind of action plan from our work going forward about wanting to live?

Cathy: The basic one is that sometimes I need to breathe and remember to step back into my Witness and observe what I’m doing. As I go forward, I choose to be more aware of when I am not doing the things that I want to do, like telling the truth and being honest with myself and allowing myself to go out and create the love and all the joy that I’m getting without being sick. Those are my steps going forward.

Barbara: In our matrix, the action plan, the last step of the sound bites we’re writing down, has those intellectual sound bites defining what we need to do in order to address the original issue. For me, with “Assumptions and Miscommunications,” my action plan is based on my Intuition, which said, “Look at yourself.” My plan going forward is that I’m going to watch where I make assumptions and where I don’t communicate quite as well as I could. As I told you, this is going down in the history of revs, because there are so many things in that one week where I didn’t make assumptions, where I made sure to take that extra step in communication and step back and think, “Have I told everybody everything? Do I need to tell anybody anything else?” And when I find places where I’m not communicating or I make an assumption, there’s no shame. There’s no mentally berating myself. It’s like, “Oh, look, it’s me making assumptions again.”

Cathy: The beauty of you and Robin and me all sharing with each other is that I look at yours and Robin’s sound bites and goals for going forward, and I see how I can now apply those to me. It applies to all of us.

Barbara: Yes. When I do this in a workshop, everyone has a Post-It note on the wall and I write all the emotions at the bottom in red and go all around the room, and when we’re done, you see that it doesn’t matter how different the story line is. My story line from Robin’s story line and especially from your story line and T.’s story line, it’s the same conflicts. It’s the universal emotions that do not get embraced and loved and moving through the flow: anger, depression, sadness, frustration—all the bad stuff is trapped in us, and it becomes cancer. It becomes excessive weight, depression, externally it is separations within families, conflicts within the community, worldwide conflict.

Barbara: We are working at the root level. Listening to both of your conflicts, I’m finding great fodder for my own continued revolutions. Robin?

Robin: Agreed. We all make assumptions. That’s a good one, too! (laughs)

Barbara: It’s so elemental. I’m so grateful to M. We’re coming to the end, but I wanted to ask you: boiling it down into a basic presentation, what do you think is the best way to help people untrain themselves to reject the bad emotions?

Robin: For me, I remind myself that when I’m triggered with Emotion, the first thing I tell myself is, “Don’t have a knee-jerk reaction.” When I get triggered I say, “Oh, there’s work to do.” It creates a new instant response to whatever emotion is happening. I’ve even trained myself to do that with intense joy, because intense joy, the people who run off in Las Vegas have equally had a knee-jerk reaction to extreme joy that may not be good for the whole. With any emotion that’s coming through us, we can stop and say, “I have work to do.” That’s where I begin, and then I remember the process. “Feel and breathe.” I follow the training, the process.

Barbara: Particularly because, having known you this long, it’s been challenging for you to access deep emotion.

Cathy: (laughs) Yes! You asked how we would encourage others. At one time when most of us would take a bad emotion when we were feeling it and tell people, “Don’t feel that way,” when you see someone crying and expressing an uncomfortable emotion. I’m able now to allow them and myself, because I didn’t used to be good at crying at all, to feel those “bad” emotions, because all emotions can lead us some place else. We encourage each other to feel the good and the bad emotions and move them through and then take that—like, if I’m feeling sad, I can’t feel like being happy immediately, but I can take the next step up to whatever emotion makes me feel a little bit better and then a little bit better. Every time I process the ConRev I need to breathe. I breathe to get into my Witness. I breathe to find my truth. I breathe to find my sound bite. Just remembering to feel and breathe has been so powerful to me.

Barbara: Me, too. I want to add an ending to my own conflict. Shortly after or during this time, I had a conflict with my sister—and I was Maxinne! I wrote an email to my sister that sounded just like hers. I sent it off and immediately started to feel and breathe, and I’m so grateful for bringing Conflict REVOLUTION to my family. The sister who triggered me was the one from “The Headache Project.” Long story short, my other sister was involved as well, and she said, “This is not a conversation for email.” So I called her, and she was wonderful. She was triggered, too, but she returned Conflict REVOLUTION to me. She knew how to do it. And pretty soon I was crying, she was crying. She also had something that was coming up. So I waited for a few days and I kept getting Intuition nudging me, “Call the other one.”

Barbara: I was a little less excited, because she traditionally would read me the riot act. But she was also wonderful, so loving and calm. She explained everything. We had a wonderful talk, and we’ll get together when I get home. So you can even act not for the good of the whole and it can come out for the good of the whole.

Barbara: Is there anything else either of you wants to add before we close this and let people go off and think about this and digest it?

Cathy: Thank you, Robin and Barb. When we went through what happened this weekend and I had to ask you for help and you asked me if I would be willing to share in the Sunday morning conference these personal things about me and my family, my first reaction was, “Eeek!” And then I realized that my truth needs to be told, because then I can show by example that not only do people who have been doing ConRev for years and doing it well get stuck and need to ask for help, but also, when you hear my story, you can relate to it and say, “If she can do this, I can fix the issue I have with my boss at work.” I’m so grateful to both of you. I love you both. Thank you for letting me be a part of this—even though I was a little bit scared to do it!

Barbara: The powerful thing about you sharing your story is that I have always believed that Conflict REVOLUTION can heal physical illnesses, it can prevent physical illnesses by not allowing a build-up, an abscess of emotion to get stuck in our bodies. You have shown that this isn’t a replacement for chemo or any kind of physical therapy anybody might be doing with cancer, but I believe it can augment the healing process. I’m looking forward to having you get your clean bill of health.

Cathy: Amen! (laughs)

Robin: In closing, I think we’ve shown by all these examples a good reason why this work is important and why it’s worth it. Maybe listeners are thinking, “This is a lot of effort. I don’t know if I can do it.” But what inspires us is the health, the well-being that come out of it, stronger relationships, the ability to achieve the things that you value in life. In my case, I realized that I value having a partnership and I want to do whatever it takes to get that. My conflict with Mr. Downer is the one that helped me to see that mirror and say, “Wait a minute. I’m draining my own energy by telling myself I’m unworthy and unlovable and I’ll never have a partner or be able to achieve what I want in life.” I didn’t see the pathway, I couldn’t find the next step I needed to take.

Robin: I’m taking a lot of steps, declaring that this is something I value, setting that intention daily, seeing the optimistic side. What am I grateful for? What is working right? What will work for me? How do I combat the thoughts that are telling me that I’m unworthy and unlovable? How do I step into the Witness and catch myself every time I start to beat myself up? Pushing back, wrestling with those thoughts to create more hopefulness. I’m much more hopeful a year into it. I haven’t achieved my goal yet, but I’m very hopeful that I will.

Barbara: And Lily Phelps, on her show we were talking about if Jesus would forgive Hitler, and the answer was, “Of course.” He couldn’t not forgive him, because then he wouldn’t be Jesus. You can’t not achieve that goal, because if we’re going to have a vision and intention and work towards that, then it has to have come true in the future.

Robin: I love that.

Barbara: So we can find hopefulness in that, too. I want to close by telling the people who have listened to this who want to do this work that you can always contact me at Partyof12.com, BarbWith@gmail. I have a number of learning tools. My new book, Einstein et al.: Manifestation, Conflict REVOLUTION, and the New Operating System, is the complete guide. It’s the unified field theory, the maps of human consciousness, and the complete curriculum that will walk you through it. I do some one-on-one coaching. I occasionally have online classes. Come to my website and sign up. There’s a lot of free stuff there as well to download. With this basic information, I think you can start experimenting with yourself and gain control of your own domain. I think I speak for Cathy and Robin and everyone who has been practicing and experiencing the results of Conflict REVOLUTION when I say that then you only will need to watch and be amazed.

Thank you! Until next time! Have a wonderful month! At the end of April we will have Leslie Stewart on talking about joy.







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2017 Re-Boot #1 HOPE

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It is Sunday, January 22nd, 2017. This is Barbara With and the Party of 12. Happy New Year! Happy 2017! This is the beginning of a “1” year, if you’re into numerology. I’m no numerologist, but I can add. I don’t know if that makes me a numerologist, but it does add up to “one.” Everything I found on the Internet reaffirmed my feeling that this is a brand-new year like we’ve never had before.

Notes from my first reading with Junice McCoy, May 1972.
Notes from my first reading with Junice McCoy, May 1972.

Not only is it an opportunity to start over and make some great strides in accomplishing the life that you want to live, but it is, for me personally, the 30th anniversary of me channeling. I officially began to channel in 1987. I had gone to see the beloved Eunice McCoy in Minneapolis for many years and studied under her. She said she was just a big antenna and she was picking up my higher energy and somehow translating it down into what my little human mind could comprehend. So there were no dead people, no angels, no Einstein.

When I started to spontaneously channel in 1987, I knew what it was, but honestly, if you had told me then where that road would take me, I not only probably wouldn’t believe you. But if I had said that was what would happen, people would have called for psychiatric help or some kind of psychological assistance. It would have been too bizarre.

My very first spontaneous automatic writing, April 10, 1987
My first spontaneous automatic writing, April 10, 1987

But here we are! It’s 2017, and the most definitive articulation yet of the work that we’ve done with Einstein, Einstein et al.: Manifestation, Conflict REVOLUTION® and the New Operating System, is my 30-year anniversary articulation of where that road took me. It’s phenomenal—and personally humbling.

In honor of this, I am starting a year-long, once-a-month free telechannel of this nature. I’m calling it the 2017 Reboot Camp. We’ll begin at the beginning and fully intend to install this new operating system into our own energy. I am making this work available, partly, of course, for the selfish reason that I love having a support group of my own, but for people who want to learn how to do this—how to not just do good work in the world and align to compassion and be better people and help the species evolve, but to live lives that are worth living that we make as big as we can.

9780991010936cvr2.inddIn 1987, if you had asked me to dream as big as this, that I would be putting out a book with the Party of 12 and Albert Einstein that explains how matter is manifest on every level, the unified field theory, tested by people all over the world—that’s a pretty big dream. I don’t know if I could have. Good thing I didn’t have to!

This year, with this 12-part series, we’re going to support each other in our intention. You get to set your intention, so get your notebooks right now. We’ll put them down and we’ll talk about different aspects of bringing these intentions into fruition, into the physical world and changing this operating system in the next 12 [months].

I want to preface this by saying that this operating system that we’re talking about transforming is one that at its root deals with conflicts in a regenerative, creative, compassionate way. So many of us have never been taught about conflict. We still aren’t. Even the best kinds of peacemaking don’t explain why there are always conflicts. My sister said to me the other day, “Didn’t we fight for women’s rights? Didn’t we do this once 30-some years ago?”

Conflict is part of life, and this Einsteinian Conflict REVOLUTION® process that we’ve been working on for 30 years is a new operating system that takes conflict and uses it to not only help promote us as a species, but to get to the outcome for the greatest good of all: making decisions for the greatest good of all.

In a practical sense, that can elude us sometimes. I’ll admit it. I get scared and freaked out. Right now the whole world is terrified. The trigger of Trump, as I’m calling it, has brought out not just the fear, but people projecting the very worst possible futures. It’s very real. Here with the Party, there’s a reason why (not that it was my idea) that we’re working with Einstein and Hitler and Freud—people—the thoughts, feelings, senses, memories, and holograms of people who’ve had these experiences on the earth plane can give and have given us a greater perspective. Who have given us this greater perspective.

So let’s invite the participation of the willing, people who want to set the intention to become that change, to become compassion, and to experiment with us. This process, this operating system doesn’t take away anything else you’re doing. Whether it’s chemo, Judaism, psychotherapy, or math, it doesn’t take away from it, augments it. It allows you to get deeper into that place where you are.

This Reboot Camp will also feature people who not only understand this Einsteinian perspective, but who have taken it somewhere else to manifest in a very specific way of meeting people where they are. Today’s guest on the show and I have had a long conversation about how to meet people where they are, especially with this Einsteinian information. It’s not an easy read. The general population that wants to read about fashion and politics may not want to read about the root level of matter and our relationship to it. How do we take those ideas and articulate them, like a giant antenna, to these people?


My guest today, Robin Cordova, is not only a very, very good friend of mine, but a certified Conflict REVOLUTION® trainer, someone who speaks this language, has studied it and knows it. I always value her ability to help me. It’s kind of like learning French when no one else speaks French. You find someone who speaks French, and you feel like you can understand yourself and French better. She also is a certified coach. She has started what she calls the I Thrive Revolution. “I Thrive.” It’s about helping women go from just surviving to thriving in their lives, which parallels the new operating system and Conflict REVOLUTION® and Einsteinian thought.

We’ll talk today about some practical applications of what she works with—Positive Psychology—and how that overlaps with Conflict REVOLUTION®. I’m hoping that we can take this trigger of Trump and have a conversation about it. I’ve got my own triggers that are unique to me within that; we’ll see how we can apply Positive Psychology, how it all fits in together.

Thank you all for joining us here today in the conference calling room. Please welcome my friend Robin Cordova.

Robin: Good morning, Barbara. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for having me.

Barbara: I’m glad you agreed to be here. I’ve been looking forward to this conversation for a while, because you and I often talk about political things as well, we’re not just spiritual gab buddies, but we’ve been going through this Trump thing as well. In fact, you just went on the Women’s March.

Robin: Yes, yesterday. It was beautiful, peaceful, filled with men, women, families, very representative of cultures, class cultures.

Barbara: And this left you feeling hope?

Robin: It did. We had 130,000 people in Seattle in a peaceful march. There was not a single incident.

Barbara: And that was replicated around the world. To me, it brings to mind way back when I was working with Teresa and Lily in the original Psychic Sorority, years and years ago, there was a channeling called World Peace in a Day. They said that when the mothers and the fathers go out in the streets and say, “No more war, war is an obsolete form of conflict resolution,” this is that. These are the predictions that were made all those years ago about when people would stand up like this. Do you march much?

Robin: No. This is the first march I have been on. I think that it shows a hopeful future and possibly, along how you introduced the call, maybe this is a new type of year. We really are possibly in a new place, and that brings us hope, too.

Barbara: And hope is really important.

Robin Cordova,                              I Thrive Revolution

Robin: And I’m reminded of something Einstein said on a channel back in 2012. “We are creating new moments and not casting shadows of old moments.” I try to remind myself of that so that we can look at things in a new way and not just assume that it will continue to repeat from the past.

Barbara: And that was my intention with this meeting today: to talk about the trigger of Trump. Up until yesterday, when hundreds of thousands, half a million, a million people, went out into the streets and said, “No more!” there was a lot of fear, a lot of projection about the most horrible things ever happening because of Trump. That’s a real thing. I don’t have a judgment about it either way, but clearly people have been in their fear and reacting and surviving rather than feeling like they’re thriving. From what you’ve told me when we talked before the broadcast, it changed, coming together with people in that way. It shifted out of fear into hope, into “Now let’s find some creative solutions.”

Robin: Correct. And I can go into that today, some of the hope theory from Positive Psychology can be a very powerful message. We can circle back to that after we do an introduction into what Positive Psychology is. People haven’t heard of it or they might think it’s just a “Happyology” and you’re just telling people to put a smile on their face no matter what they’re going through, and that couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s good to dismantle some of the misbelief of what Positive Psychology is and where it came from and why I feel it’s very important to me.

Barbara: Please do! I’m curious to know all those things. Share with us what it is.

Robin: Positive Psychology was coined primarily by one person, but also co-founded. Martin Seligman was the president of the Psychological Foundation [American Psychological Association] right around the turn of the century, about 17 years ago [1998. He is Zellerbach Family Professor of Psychology in the University of Pennsylvania’s Department of Psychology]. He stood in front of the scientific community, researchers within psychology, and he said, “We have failed the everyday human. We have based our entire research model, our entire therapy model, on the disease model. That really only helps around 15% of the population, and the rest we have left behind.” He co-founded it with another researcher and psychology professor, Chris Peterson, who has passed on, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a guest with the Party on the non-physical side.

Together they put out a challenge, set an intention: “We would like to see 51% of the population flourishing by 2051. To do that, we want to research what is right with people. What makes life worth living?” That’s what Chris Peterson said. That is the study of optimal human functioning. “Why are we here? What makes life worth living? We haven’t studied these things. We haven’t helped people become resilient to everyday challenges—health setbacks, loss of loved ones, loss of jobs, learning how to make difficult transitions—everyday things, not things that are in the disease model.”

So they created what they call the wellness model. Chris Peterson would say it’s “helping people go north of neutral.” The traditional psychology was looking at an arrow to the west of that. That was, we have symptoms, we have illnesses, we have death.

Positive Psychology says, “Let’s study the right side. Let’s look at first of all self-awareness.” When I think of Conflict REVOLUTION®, I can align that with the Observer. The first step is to become the Observer, to become self-aware. The next step is education. We can look at that with Conflict REVOLUTION® where we say, “Let’s look at the mirror. Let’s become aware. Let’s educate ourselves on what’s the beyond ourself. If we’re only 8% within the lens, we need to educate ourselves on the Source, the map, the electromagnetic grid. There are so many things we can educate ourselves for.” The third step is growth. Martin Seligman put that out and he got a lot of funding, a lot of researchers stepped up. Now we’re about 17 years in, and just in my Thrive course I’ve covered the work of 11 or 12 researchers, and there are many more, who have said, “What if we send positive emotion?” I thought I’d touch on that.

Barbara: Yes, please.

Robin: Another one said, “What if we study hope? What does that mean?” Martin Seligman himself did a 20-year study on optimism, what makes people optimistic? Why do we want be? He teamed with Chris Peterson and they did a three-year study, I think they had a million dollars in funding, and they studied character strength. What happens is, we focus on what’s right with people. It was a beautiful outcome. The idea is not to negate negative emotions. There’s nothing in Positive Psychology that says to repress emotions or we only want positive emotions.

But will segue into Barbara Fredrickson’s work on positivity. She’s a scientific researcher, and she took several thousand people and studied positive emotions. She said, “We know that if we’re sad, it’s because we’re mourning something, and if we’re angry, it’s because we feel our rights have been violated in some way. But nobody has studied what the benefits are when we feel joy, love, awe, excitement, curiosity, when we’re learning something.”

After quite a few years of study, she teamed up with a mathematician and they plotted it. They took all her data and plotted it mathematically and found what they called the “butterfly effect”: if we are able to consciously create in our environment a certain amount of positive emotion, then we start to flourish. They found that mathematically that ratio is about 3:1. So if you take a month of your life and say, “How much of my time do I feel that I was in positive emotional states?” and she describes about 10 of them, and “How much am I in a negative emotional state?” If I am able to shift that consciously, I start to create what she calls a broaden-and-build theory. That means that if we’re able to stay in positive emotion three times to one negative, we open up our world to more options. We start to see solutions instead of problems. We start to get ideas. I equate it to standing at the top of the Eiffel Tower, where you can see so much further than if you’re in the basement.

Her work does not say that the basement isn’t valuable, or that we shouldn’t go to the basement. That’s why I don’t feel like it can’t marry to Conflict REVOLUTION. But what it does say is that we can become aware and consciously interject within our life things that bring us joy.

For me, I love to dance. So I make sure to dance every day for an hour. That I already know will interject some extra positivity in my life. Negative emotions can narrow our focus, and sometimes we need that. Sometimes we need those negative emotions, narrow in focus. Other times we want to broaden and build. So we think about what we do to come up with new solutions. If we consciously infuse our lives with more positive emotion, then we’re going to elevate to a state where we’re at the top of the building and we can see far. Now we are all of the sudden inspired with new ideas and new solutions. She calls that the broaden-and-build theory.

Another thing that Positive Psychology has done is, one of the things that Einstein has always said is that our greatest challenge is in our negative intellect. When we get negative emotions—our fear, anger, sadness—we immediately start to marry those to the negative stories. He’s always said that our greatest challenge is unwinding those stories and aligning ourselves to super-conscious thinking. And I think that’s a beautiful thing. To me, in and of itself, that fits into the Positive Psychology category, because no matter what emotion is coming through us, if we ground into the Source and we connect with the wave as it’s coming through the lens, and then we repeat a mantra of positive thinking and we marry that to whatever emotion we’re feeling, then that is a perfect example of a Positive Psychology intervention, in my opinion.

Barbara: In Conflict REVOLUTION®, what you just described is the basis of our revolutionary new relationship to Emotion, just to offset it. There isn’t any actual Emotion that is negative or positive. The degenerative effect comes when you get to the Intellect and when the Intellect creates the negative story that then that fear or anger, formally known as a negative emotion, hits that story. So like you just described, when you let that anger come through but marry it with a regenerative, positive story, you still, I find, have the power of that emotion, whether it’s formally good or bad. There’s just a little bit of fine-tuning in the system, a little more complex place in the system, but that’s essentially what Positive Psychology does, change the story. Right?

Robin: Exactly. There’s two researchers that I could talk about. Maybe I should start with hope theory. It truly is important to have hope. Nobody has studied hope too much, but when we slide into a hopeless state, they have found that the first stage is rage, anger, or frustration. When people are feeling hopeless, which many are right now, when they look at Trump and the situation going on, it’s easy to fall into that feeling of hopelessness, and the first stage of hopelessness is rage, anger, and frustration.

Then, if they’re not sure what to do or that they understand what’s next, they slide into despair. When you get to a stage of despair, you start to make smaller investments. You start to shut down. It’s like starting into the giving-up phase. You become immobilized and resigned to complete inaction, to passivity. You start to go inward in your expression. The fourth stage is apathy, which is just complete defeat, when you no longer believe that the goal you want is attainable, and you often give up the big dream and you start to just shoot for little things. That’s what they describe as the slide into hopelessness.

When they pulled it apart and researched it—What is hope? What makes people hopeful? Then they created a map for how you build hope in your own life. The very first step is to set goals. So hopeful people have goals. As soon as we say, “Here’s what we’re headed for,” and we can start to see—whether we end up there or not doesn’t matter as much as setting an intention. Like you said, let’s start the year by setting an intention. We can call that an intention or a goal of some sort. But just having that set all of the sudden starts to build hope.

The other two components are “way power” and willpower. Way power tells us we have multiple ways to get to that goal. Willpower is the motivation to get there. If we’re feeling hopeless, then we have a structure where we can say, “I’ll start by setting goals.” They say hopeful people will set goals across many areas in their lives. They’ll have health, they’ll have relationships. That comes back to, what makes life worth living? If we’re just working all the time and we have no friendships, that’s not a very fulfilling life. Or if we have a relationship that’s not meaningful work. Hopeful people will set goals or intentions across multiple areas of their lives and they’ll create multiple pathways to get there, not necessarily getting stuck on one or another.

And then by generating strength and positive emotion, we can boost our willpower, our excitement, our motivation, our ability to self-regulate. That’s another key thing that several researchers have found, that when we allow ourselves to feel every emotion, we become able to master this character strength that Mark Seligman and Chris Peterson defined as “self-regulation”: being able to control our impulses, to maintain the focus, the vitality to head toward those goals. As you introduced at the beginning when we were talking in our previous conversation, now that the march is done, now what? How do we maintain hope?

I think the combination of Positive Psychology with Conflict REVOLUTION® is beautiful. We can take what we’ve learned and say, “How do we maintain this hope?” We do that through setting our intentions, setting goals, feeling our emotions, being aware of our positive-to-negative ratio.

The other thing we found is about taking our language seriously. This goes back to what you mentioned, marrying those stories to the negative Intellect stories. What Positive Psychology has found that the more general the negative statements we give to ourselves—this goes back to self-care/self-love piece—the higher the degree of negative emotion we’re creating.

For example, if we say, “I am a failure. I’m good at nothing. I’m worthless. I’m unworthy,” that’s a very broad statement sweeping across us. The degree of negative emotion being experienced by that personal attack is high. Positive Psychology has taught us to, first of all, step into that Observer, that self-awareness, and listen to ourselves. If we’re saying, “I’m a failure,” then we’re creating—it’s a self-attack, or in Conflict REVOLUTION® terms, as that wave comes back around, through the North Pole, and goes into the center of the Earth, back to the Source and back into the Lens, that will come up as a lot of pain.

Barbara: Yes, an abscess, as we call it. It becomes abscessed. Who knows why it’s there or when it’s there, it’s just built up. It doesn’t ever really get moving along the flow of things.

I want to jump in and talk about hope. Listening to you talk about that aspect was very affirming to me as someone—OK, let’s go back to the trigger of Trump. For the past five or six years I’ve been deeply engaged in my state government, and marches and walks and testimony and all sorts of things. I’ve been engaged and involved. There came a point where everybody went home and the government of Wisconsin—which is that our governor and the two houses and the courts are all Republican and they’re passing things that are really detrimental to us, like we’re seeing Trump is about to do.

There came a point where all those stages of hopelessness that you just described, oh, my gosh, that was me! Until I got to a point after about three years of giving it my all, where I was hopeless. I went through that whole thing and I got to apathy. But what happened was, luckily for me, that’s when Conflict REVOLUTION® kicked in. “OK, so you’ve got nothing. You’ve lost everything. The mining company has the bill. The government is corrupt. They’re going to steal our water.” Kind of like what I see people doing with Trump now.

But now that I can look back, I see that the truth was that when I stepped back to first of all not feel like I have to save the entire world, that this is a little more organic movement even though politics is rough and you don’t want your water poisoned, you still need to take care of yourself. You still need to thrive. You still need to have hope. How do you do that in the face of what I was faced with? I can tell you that what I did Conflict REVOLUTION®. It pulled me farther away from the struggle of what I was in and more into the experimental esoteric, “What is the conflict of the mining thing? Let me take that in and find the metaphor in me. Let me look at it metaphorically like an archetype. What part of my energy that I’m observing every day—” And I know what I’m looking for. It isn’t just watching yourself be crazy, you know what you’re looking for. You’re looking for those bad thoughts. In Positive Psychology, it would be the observation you’re talking about, where you’re telling yourself you’re a failure over and over and having the willpower to change it to something more regenerative, something that’ll going to give you hope, something that will find a solution.

You and I have talked about meeting people where they are, which is part of why I wanted to do this series and have other people come and show me these different sides. This movement of meeting people where they are is just as important as knowing and understanding the process. It’s that bridge like you talk about, the bridge to people who are still struggling. And let’s bring this back around to another thing, where I had my own Rev, the trigger of Trump. I had my own Rev and it wasn’t about Trump. Having lived with Scott Walker and been through the cycle for five years, I’m familiar with what’s going on conditionally like that.

But it was the other side, where I was having a great conflict with people who supported President Obama and would never acknowledge that he had actually facilitated some things that they really hate about Trump. He actually did those things. He bombed more people. He deported more people. But to me the point was, I couldn’t for the life of me find any of my friends who could sit down and have this conversation about why this is, not even adversarially. It wasn’t like, “How come you can’t—?” It was like, “I don’t get it. How do you feel about the fact that he has done all these things that when you say Trump does them, they make you scared to death?” I haven’t been able to get an answer. People either stomp out or say that I’m trashing Obama or get defensive or change the subject. The Rev for me was that archetypical metaphor of, “What do you do with people when they’re not ready to hear the truth?” OK, so with me.

That application of Positive Psychology or Conflict REVOLUTION® on that Rev, unique to me, really had nothing to do with politics. It had a lot more to do with this work. This work, especially this Einsteinian work that all of us have been engaged in or are beginning to get intrigued by. It’s pretty ahead of its time. There are people, as you and I talked about, who aren’t there. They don’t see it. I know that. It has nothing to do with if anybody’s more involved or better. This Einsteinian work is very deeply rooted in ideology, intellect, and it’s sometimes hard to find people who speak that language. I’m appreciative of everyone who does, but in the long run, going back to my hope story, when I shifted that—now I’m not saying that this is my responsibility, I’m just reporting this—the mining company pulled out and went away. And even though we’ve had the four sides of our government dominated by corporate Republicans who are passing the bills that are for the good of the few at the expense of the many, we still protected the lake. We did it. We succeeded.

I’m bringing that back to the march. It brings that hope that we don’t have to sit here in the trigger of Trump and project because we’re down at the end of hopelessness and now we’re projecting the most dismal futures, as you were talking about. Your vision gets really tiny. There are fewer and fewer resources. We don’t know what will happen in this year when we engage like we going to, like we are. We’re taking responsibility now for our own energy like we’ve never done before. We don’t know the power we have. We underestimate ourselves, right?

Robin: Right. And you bring up a good point—and part of the reason I named my business “I” Thrive Revolution is because it goes along with that theory that the most important thing is that we come back to ourselves, and that has to be our priority. That relationship is about our own self-care, self-love, self-compassion. I myself learned through some Revs that I did this fall—I finally understood the clear difference between self-care and self-compassion. They’re entirely different.

Barbara: How so?

Robin: Self-care is compassion that we take, we are caring for our bodies, we are eating good food, we are meditating, we are dancing, we are skiing—I know you love to ski, Barbara. These are self-care things, and they’re very, very important, which I’ve aligned more with the Father energy.

What I really had to learn this fall through my own Rev that I had to do was embracing and honoring the Mother energy, which is self-compassion. That part is very quiet. It’s not action-oriented. It’s just sitting down and treating yourself like you would as a kind person. Treating yourself like you think of yourself. The moment that you pause and say, “I am so sorry you’re going through this right now.” Just like you would a friend. How often do you say, “Oh, my gosh, I’m so sorry this has brought you so much sadness.”

Barbara: With your friend, hopefully you don’t say, “What the hell is wrong with you? What’s wrong with you that you have cancer?”

Robin: The mother energy. Or “What did you do wrong? Whip yourself into shape.” That’s not self-compassion. With self-compassion, you put your hand on your heart, “I’m so sorry.” I learned that from a Positive Psychology researcher by the name of Kristin Neff at the University of Austin. She teaches a lot on self-compassion. That was beautiful, too.

With all of these Positive Psychology interventions, it’s a lot like Conflict REVOLUTION® in the sense of, when you get triggered, you know it’s time to rest. You know what to do. You have a process. To me it’s a Positive Psychology intervention, probably the most powerful one.

The same thing with hope. If we feel hopeless, we get out our sheet and we say, “OK, I know how to build hope. I follow this step, this step, and this step, and I’m going to start to feel more hopeful.” If I am finding that I’m bumping into obstacles, because that’s one thing about the intervention, I’m just describing the theory, but there’s a whole set of, “Here’s what we do when we’re feeling hopeless. Here’s what we do if we’re lacking in “way” power, we don’t see the pathway to get there.” I know you had to run into that so many times. “What do you do when you hit 10 obstacles?”

Barbara: And what you’re talking about here reminds me and affirms for me that when I was going through some really deep mental health issues, 2008, 2009, 2010, every day I had to make a list of things I was going to accomplish, but they were things like, “Brush your teeth.” Three things that I could so easily do in five minutes. But I did it so that I could do it and then say I did it. I built on that.

Robin: Right! That’s a fabulous example.

Barbara: I confirmed that process you’re talking about.

Robin: And then you could feel hope. That’s so important.

Barbara: And as I succeeded, I could add more, so my competency could increase as well. “Now I can do more than just brush my teeth and go to the Post Office.”

Robin: And I think that’s a perfect example of broaden-and-build, too. You’re catching yourself. You’re building hope. You’re accomplishing things. You’re celebrating, and that brings in self-compassion. One of the things Barbara Fredrickson has said is, “We think that these fleeting moments of positivity are meaningless, but it’s quite the contrary.” It’s almost like putting a deposit in the bank. It can become fun. “Oh, my gosh, did I get some positivity in my bank today?” Making sure you squeeze it in because you’re making deposits in your bank so that when you do hit an obstacle or you do hit an adversity, it helps you become resilient because you’ve banked some positivity.

Barbara: With Conflict REVOLUTION®, we train ourselves to the best of our ability to, when in doubt, process that deep emotion with breathing. In present moment, I’ve learned through the years and I’m sure you have, too, that when you really have your back up against the wall, some stopped, intentional, focused breathing and calming everything down to allow that last tail of hopelessness to stop and you can begin to refresh and find those creative solutions, or ask for them intuitively.

Robin: Exactly. And she has hit some controversy, like all researchers do, and I admire and honor you so much in your bravery to do this work—

Barbara: Oh, thank you!

Robin: —that’s possibly a hundred years ahead of its time and the controversy that you’ve had to hit. Barbara Fredrickson had it in a tiny way when she was doing this research. She was giving a talk right when 9/11 happened, and she couldn’t get home to her family because the planes had shut down, so she ended up taking a train for a couple of days to get home. I think she was in Chicago and lives on the East Coast or something like that. It gave her the opportunity to observe something that was a very sad time. She had been given some flak of, “We can’t just do positive emotion.” But what she found is that it didn’t make you insensitive to say to yourself, “It’s important that I interject positivity in my life.” It does not make you insensitive to 9/11. She found that people who could also find gratitude and still put a smile on their faces were able to handle the deep emotion as well.

Barbara: I can attest something—maybe as disastrous to 9/11, the Trump election—that when I tried to be positive and do this, I was accused of being thoughtless and mean and rude and uncaring. It was very interesting. That was another interesting part about this trigger of Trump. And those were people who know me.

I want to wrap up this part of our conversation. We could go on and on. The setting of our intention today that we’ll do, I’d like to give everybody about five minutes. Is there anything you want to add to the idea that we can take this year and set our intentions? What does that mean? What might you be doing?

Robin: I did write that out for myself. I love doing that exercise. For me, it’s making sure that I set goals, set intentions across more than just one area of my life. For me personally it will include wonderful relationships and my work area, my passion area, my own ability to stay dedicated to Conflict REVOLUTION®, it will include a broad range. It will also include making sure that, “This is how I am going to feel, this is what I’m going to see, what things are going to smell like and look like,” to embrace a lot of the senses.

Barbara: I feel that way, too, that I want to intend that this is this really kick-ass life to live. Being there with it. I want to also—I really have a thing for this book. I’ve been wanting to get this to the scientists but have been triggered by that “Who do I think I am?” thing. I really want to intend that [to get Einstein, et al. to the scientists]. But like you say, I want to intend a life that’s relaxed and happy and feel like I’m doing all that I can and using my power, feeling like I’m really doing the best I can. So many times we are but we don’t feel like we are. We’re doing so much. I’m guilty of doing so much, but “I haven’t done enough.” Positive!

Robin: We are. And every time I talk about Positive Psychology, I tell who come to my workshops, “I need this work. That’s my own selfish reason [to do it.] My life needed these tools.”

Barbara: Yes, exactly.

Before we take the five minutes, this is from Diaries of a Psychic Sorority, and it sums up the whole mission that Einstein has shared with us, through us. This was from January 25, 1994. It was the second group that we ever did in the big groups that we were doing back then, Kim and Theresa and I. It was called “Conflict Resolution.” These were the paragraphs that changed my life, when they said:

You often come in contact with people who you think cause you conflict. This seems unavoidable. Yet you are the source of that conflict. You can look around at everyone else and lay claim to their actions and how they are causing the conflict in your life, but every conflict you’re involved with is within your own self. The source is within your own self. If you begin to look at life that way, you begin to see where your power actually lies to be able to resolve these conflicts. If you do not believe this is the basis of the evolutionary process, you only have to look at how much conflict is in your world, not just in your own personal lives, but the bigger world, the global community, the country, the state, the cities, the block, your home, and your own minds. Constantly dealing with conflicts is the road to evolutionary change. It may seem futile or counterproductive, but it’s not. It’s through the resolution of conflict that the earth plane will resolve.

Barbara: This goes back to, we’re putting in a new operating system that will process the inevitable conflict of life, because it is inevitable, and process it in this positive, regenerative way. You get to build your own system based on your life, your detail, custom-made just for you. That’s the exciting creative part right there.

When we come back, we will open up to Einstein and the Party to talk and then we will have time for questions and conversation.

Thank you so much, Robin! When I send the link out, I’ll send the information of where people can get hold of you and see more about what you’re doing.

Robin: OK. Thank you so much.

Robin Cordova
I Thrive Revolution
Bainbridge Island, WA


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It is January 22nd, 2017. I am here in Lake Superior. The rest of you are all over. I can’t say I know exactly where you’re all from. I want us to begin by closing our eyes and imagining this view from outer space looking down at the earth so that we’re all starting on the same perspective, that we’re out on a halo that goes around the earth, sitting there with our legs hanging over the side, looking at this beautiful planet.

As we look, think about the history of humanity. Sometimes when we get so focused on one time period or moment, we feel trapped. Our perspective is narrowed down into a tiny little funnel, much like Robin talked about, where suddenly you don’t have enough resources and enough way.

We will command that only the most divine light shine down upon you at this time and the greatest good be present here.

Earth and the ring-world: Halo by Nazo-The-Unsolvable Watch Digital Art / Animation©2008-2017 Nazo-The-Unsolvable
Earth and the ring-world: Halo
by Nazo-The-Unsolvable
Digital Art / Animation©2008-2017 Nazo-The-Unsolvable

We are so honored to have use of this space, if only for just a little while, to greet you in this most magnificent “1” year that is stretched out ahead of you like a carpet. We have a very exciting agenda for how we want to use our energy to help you use your energy.

The beginning opening invitation goes out to you now to sit in your physical body, listen to the sound of our voice as we’re talking, and become aware and be an observer of all of the cells within your body, within your organs, your muscles, in all of the biological systems that are at this very moment working together to create the portal that you have to perceiving the planet. You are the projector of that planet as well as the perceiver of it.

More than ever, we feel the time is ripening for each individual to strive to a greater height and evolutionary place than they ever have before. Part of the way evolution works is that because the creative energy of life—the life source—has programmed in its DNA the continual desire and implementation of creation constantly creating something, constantly taking something out of nothing and making it into something. Your very nature is regenerative. Your energy is, well, you can’t screw it up. You can mess up the system so that in the lens of your physical world you’re not experiencing the great miracle that’s taking place right in front of you, but you don’t screw up the miracle. That’s unscrew-upable.

In this year, 2017, we are going to, more than ever, be here to be of assistance, to help people take a big step into the manifestation of their lives. The beautiful part about this intention that we’re setting, about installing this operating system, is getting more and more people to observe themselves, having people wake up to ask, “What can I do? How can I stand up? How can I make a difference?”

When people are in that place, they’re willing. And when you get the participation of the willing, then you get a group of like-minded people who are operating as a sort of biological organism. When all of those people—a family, a town, a group—are operating under compassion, meaning that the most important thing is to make decisions for the good and the sustainability of the whole system, whatever that system is. Imagine working in a group of people who are all committed to that perspective. You could trust each other. You knew if someone experienced pain or anger they wouldn’t lash out, act out, bring in some drama. There is a whole new language. You could talk and work. And suddenly conflict didn’t become that thing you were afraid to have. “Oh, gosh, I’ve got a conflict!” It becomes an opportunity to take control of yourself and create a new outcome, very purposefully, very intentionally.

This also addresses the idea of the future. We want to talk about that right at the beginning of 2017. We have never been here working with Barbara to be fortune tellers. It was not our intention to tell people’s futures as the mode of communication. We have been able to, with a fair accuracy, speak about the future and possible futures and articulate what we see and have that then come into physical reality. But the truth is, there is such a question about how much even the telling of the future affects the manifestation of it. It may or may not, we don’t know.

Instead, what we feel we do with our vision and our insight is to give you some perspective and a process that will allow you to participate in your energy in a way that you may not have thought of before, when you’re hoping that somebody’s going to tell you the future will be good. “Will I get that job, that relationship, that child?” Instead, it’s the shift of, “Here’s what I want to create and here’s how I will do it.”

Some of the tricks (and it’s not a trick, but it’s kind of tricky) is that as you are setting this intention, whatever it is, you will certainly not set an intention that you’re miserable. You’re not going to write down, “I hope I never have enough money. I hope I never find love.” You’ll write hopeful, optimistic things and conditions that you think are advancing yourself and the world around you, making you and the world a better place.

The world needs that right now, so much so that each one of you listening to this should take it seriously about your own life, your own conflicts, in your own world. As Barbara has said, sometimes it’s difficult to sort through that as a human, because there is so much going on. There’s so much energy and change and emotion and transparency and things are moving faster and faster.

So it can be like you’re just surviving, like you’re white-knuckling it sometimes. But in this shift that we’re helping you make, the relationship of conflict comes under your control. Conflict with coworkers, with parents, any conflict—which, again, is inevitable—can become the magical pathway to facilitate an outcome to those conflicts that not only get you what you need but get everyone else what they need, too.

To do this, you have to have a certain amount of hope. Built into our new operating system is the idea of hope, and that springs out of rest. More and more humans are understanding that rest, the resting of the mind, is one of the most rejuvenating acts you can do. It’s one of the greatest acts of self-love that you can do for yourself. Find a way to focus the mind on something that’s soothing, that’s calms the energy waves. That kind of rest we so often overlook.

In this year that is coming ahead, speaking of futures, we can see some conditional trends that you might be aware of as you move through the next one-year cycle. If you’re not ready in the spring to have a channel to channel your creativity through, it’s going to get mucked up. It can risk getting backed up, so that creative energy becomes the conflict itself. Because creative energy is one thing, and your choice to consciously pick up your power and interact with that creative energy and use it to intend is the more important part of it. People who are willing to engage like that are more apt to tap into creativity when it’s not there than somebody who isn’t going to engage but has all the creative energy ideas in the world.

This is the talent to be open, always be discovering even if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Cultivating that openness, that positive message, that you tell yourself, “Not only is there a way, and a will, but there are so many more resources than you’ll ever know.” Look at Barbara, saying in 1987 that if you had told her she would be here, she wouldn’t have been able to imagine all the resources she would need to get here. She didn’t have to. She just had to say, “One step at a time.”

In this springtime of creativity, more than ever you’re going to need to be the scientist of your own life, the one who’s willing to experiment with this new operating system. Again, there might not be a clear answer right away on what direction you’re supposed to go or what you’re supposed to do. But take the time right now, in the beginning, to feel that intention.

We [The Party] want to intend things, too, for our work, through Barbara and through you. We feel that anyone here who is listening avidly and excited about getting control of your own energy, we hope we can inspire you to take those steps of self-care and self-love. This work is the work of your life. When you work it on the microscopic level of what you’re thinking, how you’re processing emotion, what Intuition is saying to you, getting to know those three human dimensions very intimately is a lifelong pursuit of being human.

This body of work, Conflict REVOLUTION®, is a lifelong system where you’re constantly monitoring what you’re thinking, how you’re processing your feeling, what Intuition is telling you to do. Are you doing it? Are you taking care of yourself? Are you making decisions that give you hope? If you’re not, then your intention can be that you will be revealed to yourself if you watch.

If you’re ever in doubt—“Why am I stuck? Why is this going on? Why am I just surviving?”—you have at any moment the opportunity to turn and observe yourself with the intention that you’ll find the answer and then set about to watch yourself. It’s challenging right now for humanity because there are so many forces in the world that are about taking the resources for the good of the few at the expense of the many. It is a system that is falling now, because it can’t sustain. It is not a sustainable form of societal structure when so many of the resources are held by so few.

This is in the process of tipping over. How that looks to any person is as unique as who that person is who is going through it. Some people will be refugees, some will be poor, some will be rich. Some people will be less rich, some people will be richer. You can’t even look at a worldwide condition so much as looking at your individual self in it, in this change as you’re here as the system goes through this change. How will it look?

We can say quite definitively that the more that you nurture not only your own self-care and your own magical abilities to have an influence on your own energy—and we say “magical” sort of ironically, not really. Sometimes it seems magical when you set an intention and honor yourself and feel and breathe and look in the mirror of that conflict and bring it home and see where you’re not treating yourself well, where you’re not respecting yourself, then changing those things. It does seem sometimes like magic, how things change around you. It’s always a beautiful tribute when we see someone doing this and then facilitating this change as if by magic. The person who was so mad at you suddenly calls up and apologizes, or the triggers that you had with someone are gone, however you heal them without going straight at them.

This kind of interaction on the part of human beings adds up in every facet of society. It’s going to influence politics, science, food systems because it’s only people who are the projectors and perceivers of the universe. When they change to become compassion flowing through the physical body, it’s inevitable.

That’s why we say in the spring, not only be prepared to have some stuff to channel your energy into, but see in the world that, despite some of the difficulties and the hard times, there will be a new growth, a new surge of hope that’s coming, not from a political leader, not because science is telling you, but driven from within you to be one of those mothers and fathers who go out into the street and say, “No more war! War is an obsolete form of conflict resolution. It doesn’t work. We’re going to do a new way. We’re going to start with ourselves, and you don’t even have to participate, because we’re going to take over ourselves.”

And then work it. Live it. Breathe it. Become it. Study how big you really are. Study all the other parts of your operating system that are non-physical. See how they relate to other lives you’ve lived, other lives other people have lived. Get to know yourself in that way.

We’re going to be here through the year with an opportunity to listen, to communicate, to answer questions, just making ourselves available.

Before we open for questions and conversations, we want to say that we see a lot of individual human beings excelling this year. Part of that excelling means that people find the courage to change themselves. It isn’t easy. It’s been a whole lot easier in many ways for humans to continue to sit back and point fingers at each other, blaming the other, and then taking action to punish the other. How we break out of this pattern on this planet can only begin on the individual level.

So yes, you want people to stop killing each other. Yes, you want the economy to be moving from one that relies on selling bullets and arms and bombs and killing people to being sustainable and regenerative. How does that work? You don’t know. Maybe you can’t today say, “This is how there’s going to be peace in the Middle East. This is how there will be a reduction of arms.” You don’t know. But that doesn’t matter. When you work on your part of that energy and treat yourself like a sovereign nation, how are you going to be a member nation of the world? Will you always be bombing your neighbors? Will you have sustainable government for yourself, one that will help you to thrive? This is all within your reach, no matter what the physical circumstances are.

We will confirm and acknowledge that the more pain you’re in, the more danger you’re in, the fewer resources that you have to survive, say water or food—those are special kinds of circumstances. But for the most part, in going about your everyday life, you have ample opportunity to build this new operating system from the ground up.

And we don’t want you to miss the miracles. We don’t want you to only focus on what isn’t there, but instead part of the hope that builds on the hope is when you do that hard work. It’s when you’re in your bedroom by yourself and you’re thinking about the conflict you had with that person and you’re breathing emotion and you’re concentrating on the metaphor. “What’s the metaphor for me?” And then you start exploring and using that incredible intellect to discover, “What mirror is this for me? Where is it?” And then finding it and doing whatever it takes, whatever Intuition tells you when you get there to do about that particular one, and there you are, you take that breath, and you react differently.

And then when you return, up to the Lens, into the arena, pay attention to how that shifts. We want to encourage everyone who is listening to let this process this year, 2017 Reboot, let people be where they’re naturally going to be with you. We feel like as you learn to honor yourself more, you make decisions more for you and less for other people. When you do that, you find out that some people you thought were close to you are, but not quite like you thought, so you can let them drift a little bit farther on the circle of love. And we always advise people, if you’re having conflict with someone, push them a few circles back on your circle of friends so they’re not quite so close to you. Give it some perspective. Do your process, look at the archetype, look at the metaphor, and see what you can experiment with in your own space.

It doesn’t mean you’re pushing them away because they’re energy vampires or they’re draining you. It means you’ve got work to do and you’re going to do it there and you need some space. As long as you’re not holding them responsible for those feelings, like Barbara read from Diaries, where you want to point the finger at somebody else and say, “You’re the reason I’m conflicted.” But it just isn’t so. They’re a trigger, bringing your awareness to a conflict that exists within you already. But that’s a gift, because now, in this new positive, powerful way, conflicts aren’t a mistake, they’re not a bad thing, they’re nothing to be ashamed of, they’re a regular part of living, and now you have a way to turn them into great, constructive, creative solutions where everybody gets to benefit.

This is an exciting time to be around and to be alive. Certainly all of the work we have done here through Barbara for these past 30 years, using her voice, her hands, her knowledge of publishing books to create a body of work we feel is so vitally important to humanity right now. And more than ever, we see that the time has come to step out and articulate what we know and what we want and inspire people to become the change in that way. So to all of you, we are eternally grateful for your participation and for the loving energy that you bring. We hope that more people can benefit from this gift that we want to give you in 2017.

With that, are there questions or conversations?

Q: I’d like a little clarification. We talk about prayer, about praying for other people. I have a feeling that when we pray for other people, there’s a power in that and that we can change the world and our lives and other people’s lives. Also, I think about what lies in the past, and something’s really bugging me. I want to hope something happens to stop people from doing the bad things and change what they’re doing and you said you can’t change what someone else is doing with your thoughts. Can you talk about the difference between prayer compared to I guess a negative hope for someone’s future compared to a positive one, how we affect other people with our thoughts?

A: The idea of praying for someone is rarely detrimental. If you are praying for someone to do the greatest good for the whole situation, that’s different than praying that the Holocaust won’t happen. We’re not saying that one is better or worse than the other, because praying that the Holocaust doesn’t happen is sort of like praying that Donald Trump doesn’t start World War III. It’s not necessarily a negative thing. You don’t want to wish anyone harm or pray for anything personally bad to come to someone, that someone kills someone else, whatever scenario. But to hold somebody in a prayer that they achieve the greatest good for them and for all is always a good thing.

We feel the important addition to that is that work that is done on self. It’s almost like we talk about this work that we teach augments everything else. It’s not that we want you to quit practicing medicine. It’s that by studying this [yourself], you have a different relationship to medicine. By doing this in your work, you have a different relationship to your prayers and the power of that prayer. A lot of times it’s more powerful, because the truth is—now we’re going to get kind of esoteric and step away from the practical world—that there was purpose behind what happened with Einstein and Hitler. There is purpose for what Donald Trump is doing. There’s a purpose for this fear that’s been blanketed because it’s in the process of then turning into hope.

Do you want to wish that he doesn’t do those things? It’s a little specific to be you wanting what’s best for the good of the whole. That brings in the humility that you don’t understand the importance of someone’s karmic energy or interaction in their life. You don’t want people to suffer, but on the other hand, souls choose to come into the world so that evolutionarily they will be given a platform to evolve. If their evolution means some kind of awakening process that might seem like a struggle to you, your own struggle, who are you to take it away from them? There are a lot of different things to look at that way when it comes to the power of prayer. Prayer is an art.

You can make every day a waking, walking prayer in that you program yourself to always just be intending the greatest good for all, no matter what the situation is. Of course that’s harder to do when it’s someone you perceive has wronged you, but it’s what will give you the strength and character to keep the focus of your energy work on yourself, and from there is where all else springs.

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