Join us for another in our 2020 channeling series on Transcendence. This week we will be exploring Sacred Transcendence and how we can make the most of even the most trying to times.
We were born for these times. We incarnated to be part of this momentous change. We came to help facilitate a dimension shift from duality and separation to unity and collaboration. The new moon reminds us to spend a few minutes each day in silence. Spend a few minutes doing something that brings you joy … Allow yourselves to dive deep within, to rest, to sleep, to meditate, to read, to educate yourselves, to connect via your technologies, to send light to the world … Pray for the brave souls who are “out there” supporting society. If you are one of them, pray to be open to the Divine grace and well-being that flows at all times. Allow yourself to be, in the words of St. Francis, “An instrument of peace”… In truth, and in love, you are the hands, the eyes, and the heart of God expressed in human form.” (Ann Albers)
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Welcome back to our 2017 RE-Boot Series! After an event-filled summer break of music, mayhem and a fall down the stairs, we’re back, reporting from Paris for #6. Looking forward to catching up and reconnecting with you and the Party. Hope you can join us. If not, watch for the download posting.
Good morning. It is Sunday, April 23rd, 2017. I am Barbara With. We are here with the Party. Partyof12.com is where you can find all things Einsteinian from beyond the grave, news from the Party of 12, and of course information about Conflict REVOLUTION, our imagined Einstein’s miraculous process for world peace, one person at a time, starting with you—or me. I’ll start with me, and you can start with you.
Today we are broadcasting from Denver, Colorado. I have several things I want to talk about before we get to our special guest today, my friend Leslie Stewart, a psychic channel and author of Trust and Allow the Process of Life, In-Joy! This is a book of knowledge that she has published from her talks with Orion, her collective voice of guidance. We’ll hear how she became a channel, and then I want to access her thoughts on some ideas about joy. I named this “The Politics of Joy,” because I myself am often a skeptic. When I get in my worst conditions, I am skeptical about joy, especially in these increasingly dangerous times. I think we can shed some light on how we can move through for our highest good.
I’ll also update about last month’s show. We had some very interesting revs, and I particularly have been having a wild ride through one that I named “Miscommunications and Assumptions.” As I predicted at the time, this revolution is going to be with me for a very long time. It’s quite similar to the revolution I had in 2002, where my sound bite was, “She is a liar,” which turned into “I am a liar,” which turned into sort of a mantra. We can so easily lie to ourselves, and we can so easily believe those lies. “Miscommunications and Assumptions” has already changed my life, and I’ll share about how I am making different decisions and how it is leading to very compassionate outcomes.
Earlier this week, Debbie sent me a link to a video of some old footage of Albert Einstein. It was so wonderful to see that video. (It’s posted on Partyof12.com.) We’ll listen to it, because I want you all to hear his voice. I don’t know what year they were recorded, but I encourage you to watch that video. I don’t know why it affected me, it’s not like I haven’t been channeling Einstein all these years, and I love Einstein, but when she sent that to me, what struck me so was his voice. The message is also important, but this is his voice:
“We should strive not to use violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in anything we believe is evil. We are concerned not merely with the technical problem of securing and maintaining peace, but also with the important tasks of education and enlightenment. Without such freedom, there would have been no Shakespeare, no Goethe, no Newton, no Faraday, no Pasteur, and no Lister. [Science has provided the possibility of liberation for human beings from hard labor.] When the ideas of humanity are war and conquest, those tools become as dangerous as a razor in the hands of a child of three. We must not condemn man’s inventiveness and patient conquest of the forces of nature because they are being used wrongly. The fate of humanity is entirely dependent upon its moral development.”
“The fate of humanity is entirely dependent upon its moral development.” I brought this forward today first of all because when I started channeling in 1987, the voice that came through me had a very heavy, very particular, peculiar accent. Try as I would, I could never duplicate it when I wasn’t channeling. In 1994, after hearing a woman on television speak with the same accent, I found out that she was [speaking in] Yiddish. So OK, there’s one more reveal of Einstein. But that was several years before he stepped out and identified himself, in 1998.
So hearing this voice the other day was like that old voice. Since then, all of you who have been listening to me channel will agree that the voice has changed, it’s very much a collective of different voices. My voice is sometimes stronger; it’s not quite the same. But I got nostalgic when I heard that. And more importantly, listening to his voice from the past and hearing the things he said back then gave me chills, because these ideas we are working with here with our imagined Einstein are certainly a continuation of his words in life, his mission in life. That video brought home that he’s still a visionary. The last time I had a book signing here in Denver, a young woman, perhaps 20, came up, and said, “I love Albert Einstein!” He is enduring through the ages. Yesterday someone said, “I heard that video on Facebook.” So he’s getting around on his own, and I’m happy, because there’s so much that we can bring forward to help with the fate of humanity and its moral development.
Before I get into talking about “Miscommunications and Assumptions,” I want to let you know that I have been sneaking off and being on the radio. I found a blog that allowed me to apply, so to speak, to be a guest on radio shows. It was quite an extensive application. They sent it out to the nine categories that I picked, and I immediately began to get invitations to be on radio shows. I have done three or four; some have aired, some have not. I’ll get my website up to date. The one that is the most curious that I want us as our little group to follow specifically is Mack Maloney’s Military X-Files. It’s not just Mack Maloney but also his two co-hosts Juan-Juan and Commander Cobra. They broadcast on military networks online. They just picked up the Inception Radio Network in the UK that reaches about half a million people—a big reach.
These guys are hilarious. Mack is a published author, with many futuristic science fiction-fantasy books about saving the world. He also has a book entitled UFOs During Wartime, which I downloaded and have been reading. I’m fascinated by the research that has been done on sightings of UFOs during wartime and why they come at wartime. (I’ll post links.) I’ve been binge-listening to get up to date, because they’ve asked me to be a regular guest on the show. I’ve been on twice so far. One of the things they’ve been talking about is that Juan-Juan and Commander Cobra apparently have some conflict, and they need some help. So I’m looking forward to seeing what can be done when I next am on the show about exploring their conflict. I secretly think their conflict is quite dramatic, for the radio, but it’s interesting to have a triad of men.
And they talk like girls. They do. Now, they’re all men, and they’re military guys, so they don’t want their identities to be revealed because they are still in the military. I am in a small quandary about ending up—I know it’s no accident that I ended up here, but here we are with the war makers. They’re lovely, wonderful people. But they are the ones who pull the triggers. So that will be an interesting conversation for the future as we move forward.
I want to give you an update about “Miscommunications and Assumptions.” If you remember, I had had a conflict—and it doesn’t even matter what all the details are—where my sound bite was, “She is not communicating well, and she is making assumptions.” So of course I revolved that around to “I make assumptions,” and I immediately set to work to see where I make assumptions. It was a daunting observation because the world is based on assumptions. Once I started watching myself, I learned two very important things: I make assumptions all of the time, and mostly they’re wrong.
I had my conflict and got my revolution and started watching in Charleston, and then I went to New Orleans to meet one of my dearest friends, an integrity activist. She’s just lovely. I know she sometimes gets a little dramatic, so I thought, “I’ll go to New Orleans, I’ll get my own room.” We met the first night, and it was wonderful. We hadn’t seen each other in several years. We went on the ghost tour. She’s a ghost tour operator. We planned our next day. Her boyfriend had to go in the hospital and get some day surgery, but after that she was going to take me to a graveyard.
I texted her in the morning, and I never heard back. She never returned any of my texts. I had decided that, well, you never know. My mind started to say, “Maybe she’s codependent. Maybe she’s avoiding me”—all assumptions. I decided that this was important enough to be some kind of demonstration that I was not going to make assumptions. I had a beautiful day. I had to get up early the next day to go to the airport. And I never heard from her. She never answered any of my texts.
I got to Corpus, and I thought, “I’ll try her on Facebook.” She told me she had called me and texted me several times and was so sorry we couldn’t connect. This began a very intense observation process of me not making assumptions, because clearly there were no calls on my phone.
I opened myself up to the universe and said, “Show me what’s really going on. I’m not going to assume one thing.” And as I went about my day, in a typical ConRev fashion, where we ask to universe to show us, I started to get images. One was of her and me standing in the street in New Orleans and me showing her a text I had texted to her last summer when her phone was stolen that said, “Do you know whose phone you stole? We’re a bunch of witches! We’re going to cast spells!”
In the discovery process, it came to me: did I block her? Her phone had been stolen, and I had just written that text. Sure enough, I had had her blocked since August! That was a huge hit on my part of all the assumptions I had made for six months about my friend who never calls me back, who never texts me, does she not like me any more? The next part was that I was having trouble getting hold of my friend in Charleston with whom I’d had the conflict with the original sound bite about assumptions. I had called her, left a message, I wanted to highlight her on the show, and I never heard back from her. She finally emailed me and said, “My friend never got her reading link.” I said, “I’ve been calling her.” I gave her the number I called, and there was her voice, but it was a different number. It was confusing.
I assumed—I assumed!—that I had been hacked. I scrubbed my phone, and when I restored it, there were six months of messages from my friend in New Orleans. Six months! Text, messages! Every month, October, November, December. I was at Standing Rock. She was calling. I never returned her calls. What must she have assumed?
The moral of the story is to really pay attention to the assumptions we make. When we go into thinking, “I’m not going to have any assumptions, I’m just going to let the universe show me what the answer is before I confirm it,” you know when the truth is there. There was the truth. I had blocked her for months! A very powerful rev that will be with me forever. Now I say, “I’m pretty sure that—” “Oh! Am I making an assumption?” And it’s really changing my life. It’s changing how I respond to people. You know how you get when you assume that someone doesn’t like you, you get a little edgy? It’s reducing all of that and making my relationships and working through other conflicts I have much easier. It’s so much easier to get to the outcome that’s for the good of all.
So be careful what you assume!
To introduce Leslie, I want to tell you one more story.
I heard it on This American Life, called “In Defense of Ignorance.” If you know This American Life, you know that they take a topic and expand upon it in three or four acts with different substories. The substory was that the reporter, Lulu Wang, of Chinese descent, had found out that her 80-year-old grandmother, who lives in China, was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Apparently she only had three months to live. Lulu’s great-aunt, who lived below her grandmother and took care of her, made the decision not to tell Grandma the diagnosis. Lula was very upset with this. She felt like this was deception and that people should know and should be told so that they could get their affairs in order. But the great-aunt was very clear. “We are not telling her.” No one in the family was allowed to tell her.
They decided to hold a party for the whole huge extended family, to come to China and see Grandma Neenee for the last time. Neeneee’s first-born son had just gotten married in Japan. He had been planning to come to China in a year and have a big party to celebrate his marriage, so he moved that up a year. That was the excuse that they were giving for keeping this from Neenee. And not just keeping it, but the whole family’s coming, and they have to pretend that she doesn’t have only three months to live and that this is really a happy party to celebrate her son’s marriage.
Lulu flies over to the party. (You can listen to the whole episode.( It’s truly fascinating how the family dealt with having to be at this party pretending to be happy looking at Mom or Grandma and knowing she was going to pass away in just a few months.
The long and the short of it was, the Chinese have a belief called “chongxi,” meaning “to rinse out joy,” the belief that you can wash away pain and suffering with joy. During the course of this trip, Lulu discovers that Neenee had had a mastectomy and had been wearing a prosthetic breast, and she never told anybody, because she didn’t want to burden them with the worry. That was the whole idea behind the lie they were telling her: that they weren’t going to burden her, especially if she was sick, with the worry. If it was to happen, it would. To give away the end of the story, Neenee’s still alive, three years later. Apparently at her last checkup, she got the same diagnosis, and her sister, Lulu’s great-aunt, decided to tell her that had she lost the findings, but they were the same as last time.
I’m glad we have a doctor in the audience, because my philosophy has always been that if you don’t tell me that I’m sick and then define what will happen, I have a better chance of manifesting a different outcome. Hearing this story was enlightening. It was all about the idea of “chongxi,” that joy can wash away misfortune.
This is probably a good time to introduce my friend Leslie Stewart, who is in Ohio today. We’ll talk about her book, which I had the honor of helping her with. Good morning, Leslie! Welcome to our show!
Leslie: Good morning, Barbara, how are you?
Barbara: I’m excellent.
Leslie: I love the story you just spoke of. In many ways, that’s how I’ve lived my life, through what some people would say is ignoring diagnosis, ignoring the outcome of something that could be tragic. I reframe it, put it in my framework where I believe that what is best for myself is looking at things in a positive manner. If someone gives me a diagnosis of something, I process it and I let it go through me, and then I say, “But this doesn’t have to own me.” I’m putting ownership and responsibility on myself as to how I see myself processing all of it.
Barbara: That is so insightful. I have to say that when I was working on your book with you, I was getting a little frustrated because I’ve been working on conflict, and it’s almost the opposite, where when you have to go into a conflict you don’t want to be ignorant of certain things. But from what I see in your writing and from listening to your channeling from the website and reading your Facebook posts, you are always very positive. Orion always seems to be in joy. I’m so enamored of that.
0:22:38.1 Leslie: Yes. Orion teaches that above and beyond all else, always be true to yourself. If you’re being true to yourself, no matter what that is, whatever is true for you, make that your M.O. If I’m being true to myself and being positive is being true to myself, then so be it. If you’re one who is involved with other things outside of self, whether it be politics, medicine, whatever it is, being true to yourself in that realm of your experience is what’s important. And it doesn’t matter to me or to anyone else how you deal with it as long as you feel that it is coming from your heart space, from who you believe to be you. That is the message that Orion’s always giving out. Be true to yourself. However you come into that, own it and be it.
Barbara: That would answer the next question I had! (laughs) You must be psychic! Lately, I would say since we’ve been doing this Re-boot, I have experienced more real joy than I’ve had maybe ever. There are some days when I am so happy, it’s like I’m ADHD with happiness. It’s not because of an external circumstance, because there certainly still are all the external circumstances that are threatening the world that Einstein is concerned about. But like you said, it comes because I am being true to myself. I didn’t frame it that way, but it was about being so darn happy because I am true to myself. I live a life in which I strive to be. It changes your relationship to everything, good or bad, that’s happening outside of you.
Leslie: It really does. Oftentimes I can find myself getting caught up in what’s happening on the outside. Then I have to bring myself back into that space and ask, “What do I want here? I am reacting to something outside of myself. How will I deal with this?” I can either get into being wrapped up and caught up in all of that negativity outside of myself, or I can bring myself back into that space where I believe I can find the truth within me, the truth of reconnection, however I want to reconnect, to that which gives me joy.
0:26:17.8 Leslie: Oftentimes I’ll find myself reconnecting with nature, because nature always brings me back into a space of joy, whether it be taking a beautiful walk and enjoying the beautiful blooms and the trees and the flowers, listening to water lap up against a shore—whatever it is that can bring me back into that place where I can find peace and joy. That’s where I go. Then I cannot allow all of the stuff going on outside of myself to interfere with that joyful place. Sometimes it does take practice to get there.
Barbara: How would you define “joy”?
Leslie: Being at peace with wherever you are and whatever gets you that joy, whatever gives you happiness, whatever gives you that peace or tranquility. It’s an individual thing. Everyone has their own concept and belief about what joy is. For me, it’s a place where I find complete and utter elation, ecstasy, bliss. That’s what it is for me.
Barbara: Do you ever experience what I would metaphorically call “survivor’s guilt”? Not you personally as much as the question I have about being joyful. In the activist community, in which I was very, very engaged for several years, we had a saying. We were running ourselves ragged, making ourselves sick, trying to fight the rise of fascism within our government. It was exhausting and depleting and depressing. None of us got much sleep. The saying was, “Sleep is for those with rights.” I am still a bit conflicted. I have not found a place completely where I can say, “Oh, yes, I’m so happy to be finding my bliss,” as I know that other people are suffering.
0:28:58.9 Leslie: I understand what you’re talking about, because I am very empathetic as well as far as what’s going on in the world, all the things that most people call injustices. But the more that you find that you’re pushing against something, the more you’re saying, “This is not right, I have to fight,” it’ll just make it bigger and bigger rather than stepping away from it and saying, “It’s going to work out. It really is going to unfold.” Those who are interested in the fight, in bringing justice to the forefront, and I do applaud those who are doing what they believe is being true to themselves, for myself, I find that if I’m pushing against something, it puts you into a place where you’re not feeling very good about you or anything around you or what’s going on in the world. It all seems to unfair.
Leslie: How do I, a person living here on the planet who sees all this going on, accept that I don’t have to be a part of that which is fighting, but I can be the one who is being peace, living peace, trusting that if I live and breathe and know in my heart of hearts that if I feel that peace is the answer, if joy is the answer, if being happy, being full of all of those things that I know are at the core of each and every person on the planet, that if I can see that every person really is wanting to be in touch with that place of joy, with that place of peace, however they can come to terms with that and feel it and know that it is truly at the core of their being, that how ever they want to participate with life, it is their choice?
0:31:35.3 Leslie: For me, when I find myself getting caught up in any sort of politics or anything that I believe is an injustice, it depletes my energy and makes me feel alone and lost and angry. Those are things that I don’t want to allow into my being because I want to feel alive and happy. If I’m doing that, if I’m being true to myself, I have to reframe those things that I feel are injustices and know that in each individual at the core of the self, there is indeed that place of peace. So I have to say to myself, “To be peaceful I must live peace. To be joyful, I must live joy.” And so on.
Barbara: So you’re saying that it’s almost our duty—again metaphorically—if we want to influence the rest of the world, saying, the bombing in Syria, which was heartbreaking, and bombing anywhere breaks my heart, even though I have high metaphysical ideals, it’s hard for me to think, “Those people are choosing to have their children killed by chemical weapons.” But like you said, the bigger challenge of what my belief system is on a bigger scale means that it’s almost my duty to be that peace, to hold that peaceful space, to not buy into as horrible as I’m sure that experience is so that they can maybe have a chance that supports them spiritually or energetically much more than if I get into the fray and I’m judging. It doesn’t mean I can’t feel their pain or have empathy for them, but it’s much more powerful if we can stay in our peace and in our joy and hold that space and make our energetic space that way. That makes sense to me.
0:34:07.1 Barbara: I have a question I’m asking for my sister who isn’t here and didn’t ask me to ask it, but I wonder about—she lost her only son and only child to a brutal murder. I have been with her helping and we’ve been talking to him from beyond the grave and she’s been rebuilding her life. That was in 2012, so it’s been five years. Through that time she has questioned, “How do you find joy and happiness and meaning in life when something so terribly tragic takes place?”
Leslie: Indeed. And she through you she already knows that he is with her and he is now being more at peace than what he was when he was living on the earth plane. He is now more being peace and enjoying peace. There was a part of him that had a lot of confusion with life. He was a happy-go-lucky guy, but there was still some confusion as to how he wanted to participate in changing the world, changing his own reality. To change his reality, he did change it in a drastic way, and it brought a lot of attention to his being. In bringing that attention to who he is and who he continues to be now is much different than where he was before. Now he is a pioneer in a way of how he brought about lots of change within the whole family dynamic, people talking more, having open conversation about people being murdered, about the crimes.
0:36:31.8 Leslie: It brought a lot of attention also in a positive way where people can see that even through his experience of bring that attention and that spotlight on how he lived his life, it is indeed changing people along his path, even still, even now. There is lots more openness and communication than there was before. He is bringing lots of wonderful things to the forefront through that experience.
Barbara: It’s very, very true. Our entire family dynamic changed greatly to be much more loving and compassionate—not that we still don’t, we four sisters, have our squabbles. She has changed and is still changing. Again, it seems to get back to, it challenges our belief system of life, which is maybe why she was telling me a while back that she’s searching for the meaning of life. I kept thinking, isn’t it what we make it? Isn’t it what—we get to decide what our life means, so that’s very true. I’m excited about moving forward with hopefully more healing.
Barbara: In your book, you cover a lot of different topics. Tell us how you came to be a psychic channel.
Leslie: I remember at a very early age having very extreme dreams. Oftentimes I would wake up and wonder, “Who were the people in that dream? Why was it so intense? How does it affect who I am right now?” That started me on this search of reincarnation and Ruth Montgomery and Edgar Cayce. It snowballed from there. It opened up many doors and many things that felt that they were true to me. As I was doing my self-discovery work, I was sitting in a beautiful little hotel in Cocoa Beach, Florida, near the Cape, and Ken, my spiritual partner, and I were reading Ask and It Is Given by Esther Hicks. She translates for Abraham. Ken asked me, “What would you like to do? What is it you see yourself doing?” I said, “I really would enjoy getting this message out to more people, by allowing myself to translate for a collective consciousness.”
Leslie: Being near the Cape, I launched my own rocket of desire that day, in 2005. I started meditating and journaling more frequently. I got automatic writing, and in that writing, as we all know, we need labels for things, so I asked them, “Who am I speaking to?” They said to me, “We are Orion.” I really didn’t know anything about Orion except that it was a beautiful constellation and I always enjoyed looking at the constellations as a young child. They said they were Orion. Over time, I felt such peace. When they’re with me, as they are right now, they are always giving me love and peace. Whenever anyone has any sort of reading or a session with Orion, when they walk away, they always say, “They exude love and peace.” That, I think, is a part of who Leslie is, and Leslie and Orion are interconnected, of course, as everyone is interconnected with their soul selves.
0:41:33.5 Leslie: Everyone has the potential to connect and have that intuitive ability. It’s just a matter of paying attention, listening to your inner guidance, that intuition that is always with you. A lot of times we just poo-poo it. We say, “I’m not sure why I’m thinking this or why I should do this, but what the hell? I’m just going to do it.” I go with it. That’s paying attention. Oftentimes you’ll find yourself synchronized with things that you are thinking about and want an answer to, and suddenly it seemingly just appears, but it’s you being guided by your own intuition. I think everyone has that potential and the ability to do that.
Barbara: Do you find your channeling to be more seamless consciousness than trance channel? I feel like they’ve been talking through you all morning.
Leslie: They have, yes.
Barbara: (laughs) Not to call them out on their shenanigans, but there they are. As you were describing them, I’m seeing a circle of souls gathered around, and I literally saw stars in a circle, as if the heavens had come down to create this circle with stars and that love emanating from it. It’s a very peaceful, loving, supportive energy that you bring.
0:43:33.9 Barbara: Because you’ve been channeling in giving us these answers, could we ask Orion—the question I’d like to ask is, of course, global. You may have answered it. When Einstein was on his deathbed, he and Bertrand Russell were working on their last manifesto. It was all about a plea for nations to find new ways to resolve their conflicts other than fighting. I believe this work of mine, of ours, has sprung from that. As I look at days going by and North Korea threatening with thermonuclear war and crazy Donald Trump—and believe me, I don’t blame him, because this is a system of war that has been ingrained probably since this civilization has come forward—as we look forward, can they give us some advice about how to approach these very real possibilities?
Leslie: It is a difficult situation for most people to get a handle on how we can deal with all of the warmongering that is going on throughout the planet. How do I as an individual become more inner-directed and stay in a place where I believe that I live in a safe universe? If I’m believing that I’m living in a safe universe, that in my reality, in my realm of understanding of my reality, how do I express and live in a place where I can continue to live in peace and joy and harmony? That again comes down to living it, being it, trusting that as I live my life with those beliefs, if I can live the life of peace and harmony and continue with spreading that to each individual at a time, whether it be just being in a store, smiling at someone, having a short conversation with someone, that person then goes to another person, they’re in a better place, feeling a little bit better about themselves, feeling a little kick in their heart, feeling that, “Life isn’t so bad. Life isn’t horrible.” That continues to snowball like the ripples in a pond. As you throw a stone into the pond, the ripples continue to grow and expand. So do love, joy, happiness. It has to start with each individual.
0:47:01.2 Leslie: If I’m going to live my life that way, I must believe that me being here on the planet at this time must mean something. If that means something to me, what do I want it to mean to me? What we want to share with everyone is that it starts with the individual. As it starts with the individual, it continues to grow and expand. It influences the world as a whole. The more of you who are with this teaching, with this belief that I as a human being on the planet right now, living my life, how do I want to live it? How do I want to express myself as this being right now?
Leslie: Being here, right now, all of you listening in as well, how do you want to express yourselves? How do you want to live your life? In fear? In a place where you’re allowing outside circumstances to interfere with your peace of mind? You can do that, if that gets you what makes you feel good. But we believe that there are more of you out there who want to see the world as coming together as a world that believes in diversity, that believes that there is indeed a powerful place where we can all join our hands and circle around and know that as we continue to grow and expand with our love and the acceptance of all, it does indeed conquer those things that feel like they are invading our peace.
Leslie: So rather than pushing and fighting, we see that it’s our expression and our wanting for all of you to be the best that you can be and to allow yourselves to continue with expressing and enjoying one another and enjoying each and every individual as an individual and knowing that in that individuality there are differences, and that is what makes the world go around. It’s all of everyone being an individual and allowing them to have their individuality and to not fight and to not argue, but to be understanding and really wanting to understand how other individuals see their lives, and to allow them to live it the way they want to. It doesn’t mean it has to interfere with the well-being of yourself.
0:50:23.1 Barbara: As you were talking, Orion, much like my nephew’s murder, I would not wish that kind of suffering on any human. I would not wish the suffering of North Korea dropping an atomic bomb on anyone. However, because it did happen, because he was murdered, as you so accurately described, love came from it. We could be—and I don’t speak for my sister, but anyone in that situation could be very resentful for the rest of one’s life for having your child taken from you. Is it possible that that’s similar to the macrocosm of all of these terrifying threats and possibilities that are pushing us more into understanding how important it is to love one another?
Leslie: Yes, indeed. That is why it is happening right now on the planet: for everyone to get that there are differences and there are many things that are going on outside of yourself that seem to be troubling and disturbing. But it doesn’t have to interfere with my own well-being. How do I continue with loving and living life when all of this destruction and war and hatred go on outside of myself? That is, again, bringing yourself back into, “What do I want? How do I want to see my reality? What is my pool looking like, my ripples of my life? How are they spreading out? What do I see those ripples? Where do I see those ripples going?” As you see the ripples of your life spreading forward, how do you want that to be? Love, self-acceptance, nurturing of self. There are so many people who are in need of nurturing, of self-nurturing, self-love, and nurturing each other. It is something that has been missing from quite some time in many people’s lives. Now more than ever, it’s important for you all to be more understanding and more nurturing and loving.
0:53:22.5 Barbara: Yes. I’m getting inspired by this conversation, because having been through deep activism and giving up my life for this resistance of a cause and then stepping back into this new service, for me, not that my channeling or my work is new, but I realized that what we’re doing, you and I and all of us who are practicing Conflict REVOLUTION and Cassandra bringing these ideas into her practice as a doctor and Debbie bringing them to the children, that these ripples you’re talking about extend very far. I thank you for those answers, because it reaffirms and says in a new way to me that we can only do so much in a day. I don’t mean to limit our energy, but it’s true. I can’t stop what happens in North Korea by going directly at it. I couldn’t stop what was happening in the Wisconsin legislature by going directly at it. Once I backed off and started to do all those things that you were talking about—self-nurturing, self-love, detaching from the struggle—then things started to manifest differently, in individuals coming together, not institutions.
Barbara: So while we couldn’t, for example, stop the mining bill, we could inspire thousands and thousands of people who live in our area to start to stand up and voice and make a difference and stand up for the water. It was quite a learning experience. I’m very grateful for you coming this morning and sharing your talents and your gifts and this information. I’m jazzed now to get out in the day! I’m going to go to the grocery store and be nice to people! (laughs) It sounds so silly, but it’s so fulfilling, to be kind and gentle.
Leslie: And thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure to be with you. We look forward to meeting up with you in the grocery store today.
Barbara: (laughs) And I’m excited, because I’ve asked your spiritual partner Ken to come on next month and talk about the blessings of autism and Alzheimer’s, the gifts, his book, and explore how your work and mine interface with people who are dealing with these kinds of amazing conditions in their physical bodies. But before we go, hold on, I see Debbie has a question.
Debbie: I don’t have a question, I just wanted to reiterate how inspirational and freeing you’ve been. Thank you for sharing your message so beautifully of being peace, being what we want to see outside of ourselves. That’s a huge message for us to have in our hearts. I want to thank you. And thank you, Barbara, you, too, are always an inspiration.
Barbara: Oh, thank you, Debbie, you, too! Debbie has worked very hard on Conflict REVOLUTION and was in fact a coach to me through some of my hardest times. I’m always grateful to see you here. Everyone else, thank you so much. We will be posting this on the website within the week and sharing it with you. So please have a nice day. And all you’ll have to do is watch and be amazed. Namaste.
Barbara: Good morning. It is February 26, 2017. My name is Barbara With, and I am here with the Party of 12 (www.partyof12.com). This is the second in our 2017 series, a 12-part series that I’ve called the Reboot. The idea of this series is that we are in the process of rebooting our operating systems and creating an entirely new way in which we relate to the physical world and ourselves. Here we use our Einsteinian road maps and we become the scientists in our own lives seeking to infuse them with Compassion, which is the fifth fundamental force of the universe and is the source of all creation, including the source of us.
Each month I’m trying to bring a new guest to interview, someone who grasps and understands the Einsteinian maps and ideas but also has a completely different platform from which we can find out where our paths cross. Last week we had Robin Cordova, who was very instrumental in showing us about hope and positive psychology. I learned so much from that. The Einsteinian information, Conflict REVOLUTION, everything we’ve been working with, is meant to augment the rest of our physical lives. It’s meant to augment medical science, psychology, religion, Christianity, even arts.
This morning I’m very super-duper excited about my special guest for many reasons, not only that she’s one of my closest, dearest friends, but also, she and I and Teresa McMillian co-authored our first book, Diaries of a Psychic Sorority: Talking with the Angels. This book was the documentation of our first association, when we began working together, organizing groups of listeners. I would channel, we would record and then transcribe and see what these messages were. This book is the inception of where we are today. All of the amazing scientific theories and worldviews and “neo-science” that has come out of the Einstein work began with Diaries. And even though our work carried on for years, Diaries is the first four months. It has the six master sessions, where the “angels,” as they wanted us to call them, were giving us what they said were “step-by-step instructions for world peace, one person at a time,” starting with us. And then we as individuals were to turn and show the world and influence the world by the work that we had done with ourselves.
If all that isn’t enough, she also has her own book coming out, Second Coming: Awakening the Christ Within, due out this spring. We’ll be talking about that. I’m very excited about seeing where paths cross with Christianity and the Bible and Einstein. As many of you know, Party of 12: The Afterlife Interviews was my next book after Diaries, and Einstein emerged in those conversations, as did Jesus of Nazareth. If you listening and you need to, I have provided a free download at Partyof12.com of the Jesus interview. We’ll be talking about that crossover as well.
But what is one of my most cherished parts of our relationship is that it was Lily and I in the very beginning who provided the platform, the Petri dish, as it were, of conflict with which to apply the new Einsteinian worldview—excuse me, they were angels then, and they stressed to us that they didn’t want us to get hung up on who they were but instead to look at the information they were giving us.
We would hold a master session, sometimes there were 10, sometimes 25 people, record, transcribe and provide those transcripts to the people who had come and listened. That was impetus that eventually became the book.
How we became the guinea pigs for this was, the three of us had started working together. We’d been together for about six months. It was a very exciting, high, magical, synchronistic time. We were all reeling and reveling in everything that we were learning. And then, conflict started to come between us three girls. We put it off for as long as I think we could until the day came when it was so obvious that we were in conflict that we had to deal with it. We met at my house, and I will say very quickly the conversation escalated into a highly emotional situation. I would say there was never anything below the belt, but Lily was looking at me and I was looking at her. “Yes, but you were doing this.” “Yes, but you were doing this.”
It reached a fever pitch where all of us wanted to leave and probably not see each other again when I remembered that the second master session we had just done was called “Conflict Resolution.” I said, “Hey, let’s get the transcript and see what it says.” So I got the transcript, and what we read was,
“If you have a part in a conflict, if you’re engaged in a conflict, the part you want to be concerned about is within you.”
It translated into, “Step back, take a breath, look at your part, and when you come back to table, talk about your part. Not her part.” We cycled around it a little bit after that, but at one particular moment, all three of us had an aha! moment where, swoosh!—we called it—“satori” came in. We all started crying, and immediately we started talking about our part of the conflict. “Yes,” I said, “I need to be more aware of my impact.” Isn’t that a famous rev for me through the years, my impact? Lily said, “I want them to be there for me, but I need to be self-sufficient.” And even Teresa, who was the peace in the middle, said, “We all need to listen more to each other.”
That was the very practical way that we started to take the information and use it to make different decisions in our lives that greatly affected the outcome of the situation and of the conflict. We have worked this process in our own way through the years to where I won’t say I’ll never be triggered again by Lily. She and I in the beginning were the two who fought. We had an email exchange, we’ll talk about it in a minute, where we just kept slamming emails back and forth, until we picked up the phone and started laughing. “Oh, my gosh, what are we doing? Let’s learn from this.”
That piece, that interaction with us in the beginning was a monumental piece to where we have come today. And in Lily’s direction with her new book Second Coming, she has taken the “angels’” information, Einstein, whatever you want to call it, and used it to reassess the Bible, which is a love of hers. But I will let her talk about that, so I’d like to welcome Kimberly Lilith Phelps. Good morning!
Lily: Good morning, Barbara, thanks for having me on your show.
Barbara: I am so excited. We’re here in your beautiful home in Minneapolis. I wanted to start out by asking you to tell us about Second Coming and what inspired you to create this book.
Lily: It’s a very long story, so I’ll be short. I’ve always loved the Bible. For a long time I didn’t fit with religion. When we started doing our work, I kept up reading the Bible, and I started to realize that I was hearing it with new ears. I was hearing the Bible based on the beautiful words that we were being taught by the angels and I was learning about this constant human conflict that we all deal with and realizing that there are places where that shows up in the Bible. They were humans, the people who wrote the Bible. I started to use the work together, and it all superimposes for me now.
In my book I talk about how it’s time for us to participate in the salvation of the world. It’s time for us to stop waiting for one particular person to save us, fix it for us. It’s my belief that when Jesus came the first time, they thought he would save them from their terrible lives. But no, he saved them in their lives. He showed them how to live in their lives with love, with compassion. That saved them within their lives. And that’s where we are right now. We’re at a point where we can awaken to that Christ inside each one of us, and the conflict resolution work helps us do that every day and get ourselves aligned with how we would like to live rather than being constantly embroiled in conflict.
Barbara: The book became an extension of Diaries?
Lily: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I had gotten to the point where any book I read, I would make notes in the margin about what our work had been all those years. I would make notes in the margin about how I was correlating whatever book I was reading had to do with the work the way we learned to change our perception of life and of the world and of conflict and begin to use conflict as a tool instead of something to hide from. I started doing it with everything I read and everything I heard, and then I realized I was doing it with the Bible. It was a natural progression for me ultimately to write this book where I have over a hundred footnotes from the Bible that talk about spirituality and the Bible together, which doesn’t always sound exactly like modern Christianity would say it, but it does seem like Jesus would say it.
Barbara: Having worked on the book, not so much in the editing of it, but in the design of it, and I did read it all for the show but also for one of the last passes of editing, I am not a Bible fan. I left Christianity at 12 years old, when the gardener told my mother he was going out to bury “niggers,” and that was the end of it for me. So to read this book and to see where you have taken these Bible verses, and they are exactly the information that we’ve been talking about. I was fascinated. We’ll talk later about some of the specific verses.
I originally named this interview, “Would Jesus Forgive Hitler?” I wanted to originally talk about Jesus in the Bible versus Jesus in Party of 12 and that interview. And we’ll get into some of that. But what has ensued is a conversation about evil and divinity. In Party of 12, Einstein describes to John Kennedy, Jr., in the introduction how the Party started. He had gone into Afterlife deeply troubled with the fact that during World War II, Adolf Hitler was pushing him off his pacific stance, and out of fear, he decided that instead of all the things he was working on that weren’t working—he was working on world government, on economics—and nothing was able to change the people who were involved in economics and world government. So he thought for a moment maybe the idea was to get such big weapons that you could threaten the other people to back down. That’s when he wrote to Roosevelt, urging him to develop nuclear weapons.
We know the rest of the story. Japan was the victim, and he left the planet in 1955 feeling as if he had been part of evil in the world, even though his intention was so good. He came into Afterlife worried that he had just given the world its excuse to destroy itself. He came upon a jury room, and when he walked in, there was a dark figure obviously tortured. There was a man taking notes. And there was a man standing over the tortured figure, putting his hands on him, talking with compassion and love. This turned out to be Jesus administering to Hitler while Sigmund Freud was talking notes. That was the beginning of the Party.
[So] I called the question, “Would Jesus Forgive Hitler?” because you, Lily, and I have had conversations about how Christianity wouldn’t, that many people who call themselves Christians wouldn’t sanction the forgiving of Hitler. This is a very difficult question, and we’ll bring it into present time as well. But you believe Jesus would forgive Hitler, of course?
Lily: I do. And it has to be “of course,” because over and over in the Bible we’re told that no matter what, God’s grace is there and God will forgive us. Barbara and I have been talking this morning about the spectrum of good and evil, divine and evil, and that in order for Jesus to be who he is, to be that icon of good, it is his nature, then, to forgive. It is what God does, because of who God is, not because of who each person is. It only makes sense, and I don’t know how God forgives people. I have a human ego, I have trouble forgiving sometimes. But I have faith in God and in the idea that even Hitler—God will figure that out. God will find a way to forgive each of us if we go to God and want to be forgiven.
Barbara: In keeping with what you were saying about forgiveness and that Jesus didn’t come here to save us by dying on the cross, he came here to inspire us by being the example so that we could then awaken within—his forgiveness of such extreme evil was not even about saving Hitler. Because Hitler—and if you go on to read Party of 12, he says he’s working with the spirits of all the people who were his victims on forgiveness, which ultimately would be his own self-forgiveness. Jesus was not forgiving him so he could be off scott-free, he was doing it because that’s what he does to maintain his divinity, in that sense.
We were talking also about how Hitler and Jesus, according to the information in Party of 12, represent the opposite ends of the spectrum of what is potential in humans. We all have the potential, every human mechanism, to make freewill choices that will either get us to be Hitler or get us to be Jesus. The truth is, we’re all somewhere in the middle. We’re all somewhere, for the most part, people we know. The idea, I think, as we talk here, is that we move towards the Jesus spectrum to the best of our ability because that will affect the manifestation of what will happen around us. The truth is, there is a spectrum that we have the potential to become as evil as Hitler.
Lily: And that’s where choice comes in. That’s what makes choice so important in this life that we live. And in order to have a choice, there has to be good and evil. If there’s only good, there is no choice. The way this is all set up, it’s for us to come here, divine spirit in a human body, a physical vehicle, and experience that conflict. The root conflict is that you take divine spirit and infinity and you put it in this physical, heavy, tired, worrisome bodies and it kind of makes a mess all over the place.
But that’s why we’re here. That’s not what’s wrong. And that’s not because we’re bad. That’s why we’re here. We’re here to have this experience in physical bodies because we don’t have it when we’re not wearing physical bodies.
What we’re learning as we work our way through conflict and as every single day we make choices—“Will I be on the peaceful side, the loving side, the divinity and compassion side? Or will I choose evil?” As Einstein says, “Will I choose what’s best for the one or the few or what’s best for the many?” We all do this all day long. It’s the work of our lives. When Christianity makes us sinners because of this, I think that defeats the purpose for why we’re here, because we are here to do this. We are here to reconcile.
Barbara: So you think we’re here to actually face conflict?
Lily: I do. And there are other things of course. There are wonderful other things we do. But yes, I do believe that. I didn’t in the beginning. I didn’t even understand it, and I was the conflict avoidance queen. Fighting with Barbara in the beginning was torturous for me. I wasn’t a fighter. But I learned how valuable it is have us to own our own inner conflict, and then we can heal it. Until we own it, we can’t fix it. If it’s not yours, you can’t fix it.
Through my exchange with Barbara, I learned how important conflict is and how to stop avoiding it and hiding it and stuffing it down and denying it, which is what we all do as human beings, until we learn not to. And I learned to start to heal and appreciate those opportunities for healing. Every time we make that divine choice, we keep ourselves on that end of the spectrum.
Barbara: There was a Bible verse in your book that I did not even understand until you and I talked about it. The Bible is very tough for me. I get a headache trying to figure it out. So it was really helpful to talk about this verse, because I didn’t understand the implications of it.
Another thing I wanted to say about that is that Einstein is the perfect example of why this is so amorphous and not clear-cut. A person is not either evil or good. Here he was, I think he thought he was making decisions for the good of the whole when he urged Roosevelt to develop the nuclear weapon. But when they used it on Japan and hundreds of thousands of people were killed, he was not only heartbroken, but he went into Afterlife with the question, “Am I evil? I have worked so hard in my life for peace, to bring world peace, and yet look what I just did. Does this make me evil?”
Lily: And that brings us to something we did in our early work together. We were told to write this note on a Post-It, metaphorically, and stick it on our foreheads so we could not forget. “I am divine. I am also human. And I hold the key.” That’s the whole point of all of this. We are those things. We make mistakes, we fall down, every single one of us every day. The more we can learn to forgive ourselves and each other, the more we are choosing the divine side.
I’d like to read the Bible passage that Barbara was talking about and a couple of paragraphs about my realization of what this means. This was a huge breakthrough for me. The scripture says [Luke 14:26],
“If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother and wife and children and brethren and sisters, and yes, his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
Initially I was told that the first part of this verse meant that we should hate and push away our own family if we weren’t Christian enough. I never understood how Jesus, who taught that love was the answer, would encourage hate of any kind, much less hatred of our family and even our own lives.
Then one day I was struck by a new truth. If you read the verse again and consider this possibility, I think you’ll see. Jesus is not saying that we should hate our family and our lives, he is saying that we do. He is also saying that he can show us how to heal so that we can turn from hate to love.
Jesus is saying that we must first acknowledge that we sometimes hate even the people we love the most. In order to heal, we need to take responsibility for the things we do that cause hatred to arise. We need to own it, bear our own cross, and then release it to the divine. When we don’t accept personal responsibility, we come to Christ pretending that we are already whole, and we say things like, “I don’t hate my own life, and I would never hate anyone.”
Until we learn to accept our judgments, learn from them, forgive ourselves and others, and let it go, we are not as prepared for discipleship as we think we are. In fact, we are inhibiting our own healing by the façade we wear, and Christ knows he can’t move forward with us until we accept this and come before him in truth and humility.
Barbara: That was very profound in our conversation about it. It parallels Conflict REVOLUTION in that we look outside ourselves—“My mother-in-law hates me”—to bringing it back in to where we can accept and admit and embrace the truth that maybe we hate ourselves, maybe we can’t forgive ourselves, and then we can work on it in that inner place where the Christ consciousness and the divinity are working with us.
Lily: I can sum up one of the biggest lessons in my life. I spent so much of my life wondering, “Why don’t they treat me like I want to be treated? Why don’t people treat me well?” And finally I got it turns around: “Why don’t I treat me the way I want to be treated?” And I didn’t know how yet.
Barbara: Let’s talk about forgiveness. We’re working our way to bring in the Trigger of Trump. It’s a tough conversation here. Not that Lily is a Trump supporter, but she is a self-declared Republican, and I’m a former Democrat, and we have had political conversations in the past. But the idea of Trump and the administration and the evil, the decisions for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many—especially environmentally—make these times very confusing for those of us who are spiritual seekers, for those of us who want to make a difference in the world.
Einstein, when he was alive, was trying to work in the arena where the conflicts were being created. He was getting nowhere. There wasn’t going to be a world government. Humans weren’t going to rise up and form economic coalitions that were all about world peace. I believe that when he got into Afterlife he realized that the place he had to work was within each individual. World peace, one person at a time, starting with the self. So what is forgiveness about?
Lily: The first thing that comes to my mind when I think about forgiveness or when I’m talking to someone who needs help about forgiveness is that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. It may or may not have anything to do with the other person. It doesn’t mean that what the other person did was OK. It means that what they did is their job in life. That’s their healing work. What I do in my life is my job. I owe it to myself to work toward forgiveness so that I can let it go, so I can heal my life and not be burdened forever by what someone else did, meaning to or not meaning to. I’ve been hurt by people and found out they didn’t even know I was hurt. We hold this stuff.
I would say the first thing to remember is that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. That’s what I love so much about the work we do. A lot of people are burdened well after the person who hurt them has died and gone, and they think they can never resolve that inner conflict and that pain because they can’t talk to the person, they can’t get the person to say the right words or do the right things. You can do this work all by yourself. You do this work all by yourself. You don’t have to have the person who has gone on in their life or who has died come back and help you resolve your conflict. You can resolve your conflict yourself.
When we start talking about this idea of forgiving Trump, I keep saying I’m in charge of me. I will find the projects that fill my heart and soul and I will give my time and resources to those projects. I will stand up and say I don’t agree with this, but I don’t want to spend my life, the next four years, upset. I want to spend my life giving toward the things that I believe are valuable. That’s how I’ve been viewing what’s going on in the world right now.
Barbara: Maybe forgiving Trump is not really the question. In Conflict REVOLUTION, if I’m triggered by Trump, I create that sound bite of how to encapsulate his actions, turn it to me, and use it as a metaphor and an archetype to find out where in my life I’m doing those things. Like with Scott Walker —Trump is sort of a super-sized Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin, who did the same thing to the state. The first time I did the revolution of Walker, which was very hard, because clearly he’s an evil man, look at what he’s doing! But when I created the sound bite of, “he’s doing something illegal.” What does illegal mean? It means it has to be hidden, and if it came out, there would be consequences.
I brought that into myself. I found a situation that had happened years before—because I don’t do illegal things. I don’t break the law. But when I put it as an archetypical metaphor, I had to look at the situation with an artist who was going to let me use her photo for my book cover, and one thing led to another and a lot of confusion happened, and I did some things that really, if they had come out, I would have had to have consequences.
I immediately wrote her and told her what had happened, and I had to forgive myself. I was so ashamed. So here I am, in my world I’m working on what I think I’m feeling with Scott Walker, and suddenly it’s two years before, an incident I didn’t even remember I had done at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few. I had to not only feel and breathe my shame, change my thinking, but I then had to take action. I had to take an action that would amend the situation, and this particular situation, because this woman still was my friend.
But clearly forgiveness, I think we both agree, about your own relationship to yourself that gives you an inner peace so you don’t have to spend your whole life in resentment. That’s what for me the Trigger of Trump in the last Re-boot was, that I was not triggered by the horrible things that they’re doing. Maybe it’s that I have been through Wisconsin and I’ve worked through a lot of this externalizing of it. But for me it was the people who were giving Obama a pass when he did the very same things that Trump is doing. I had to examine, how am I those people? Long story short, it came out with my reticence and my insecurity about bringing this information forward and saying it was Einstein and standing up and taking it forward.
With Trump, he and the administration or the people, the alt-right people, fall somewhere on the spectrum. There aren’t any easy answers for how we’re going to approach this situation.
Lily: Because I’m dealing with people in my life, I’ve said from day one, “Yes, he’s an arrogant ass,” forgive my language. He’s a lot of things. He’s also a brilliant man. But I’m dealing with people in my life who are so angry at what has happened and the fact that he was elected and he’s arrogant and he’s perceived as a bully. They’re acting exactly like him in their own lives. Again, forgiveness doesn’t make him right. It doesn’t have that much to do with the other person. But to treat your own friends and family the same way this bully is treating other people and that’s why you’re so angry, he’s the excuse you have to do it in your own life? There’s your choice today to put you on the end of the spectrum that you don’t want to be on, and you don’t even see it.
It’s just like Einstein. He thought he was doing the right thing, and then it turned out that it killed a lot of people and he felt really badly. This is what we do in this life, those constant daily choices, over and over and over again, doing the best you can to choose life.
Barbara: In that same vein, when he was elected, I immediately knew I had to go into a loving stance, otherwise it was going to kill me. After three years of Scott Walker and fighting in the arena in which the conflict was talking place, I was sick, exhausted, hopeless. We talked on the last show about the cycle of hopelessness. I didn’t even know there was one, but I’d lost all hope. I’d become apathetic. That’s not good for me. That doesn’t make me an effective change agent in what we’re facing.
But when I started to put forth the idea that we need to find the people who voted for Trump who were looking for a change—who were given bad choices anyway (both choices kind of sucked) so they picked one—and educate, reach out, find the common ground. I was shocked at how many “liberal Democrats” got on my case. “No! Are you kidding? We’re not going to normalize this!” And they blocked me on Facebook, my friends who I’d stood side by side with in Wisconsin blocked me for suggesting that we call upon love.
That gave me the clue that there was a big change going on, and I’m not really sure what is the definitive answer to how to face this apparent fascist takeover of our government that could have the potential to escalate into a Nazi Germany.
Lily: And how we do that is, we remember who we are, what we believe we’re made of. They can’t make you be mean to each other. I’m dealing with this issue with my children. I said to my son just yesterday, “OK, he’s a bully. You’re not. Make your choices every single day that align you with divinity, with the spirit of good and compassion.”
We are way many more than just the people in Washington. If Bernie Sanders didn’t show us that, this grassroots movement of people who said, “We’re going to do this, take care of ourselves, get involved.” That’s all we have to do every single day, make our choices, not shrink and hide, make sure that we’re making the best decisions we can in love. I’m seeing random acts of kindness erupt all over the place.
Barbara: I agree. There’s a lot of amazing stuff that is exciting to me. I’m hesitant to say it in my social media forum sometimes, because I don’t want to get blasted by my progressive liberal friends, but the whole awakening of the consciousness, the women’s march, the protests at the airport. I came in from Jamaica and here was the airport filled with people screaming at the top of their lungs to stand in support of that love. There are so many great awakenings that are coming from this.
I wanted to bring in the example, too, of the Standing Rock Sioux and the Lakota-Nakota-Dakota Nation. I was fortunate to be at Standing Rock on a few occasions, and the power of prayer that was demonstrated by these people was like nothing I’d ever experience. The day they gave back the possessions of the people they had wrongly arrested, the police just threw them in plastic bags. Chief Looking Horse forgave them, prayed the Morton County police. We did a huge ceremony of the four directions. I was transported into this place.
I bring this up because they, of course, look seven generations out. Their actions today are reflective of how they will impact seven generations. In keeping with that, I also think that our actions should also reflect an understanding of seven generations. In my world, that can be reincarnation. Allegedly, according to Jesus in Party of 12, he reincarnated 27 times as Jesus of Nazareth in the same DNA space-time body at the same time, but he made different choices and did different things. So 27 generations? Or in whatever year seven generations out from now will be, will I reincarnate? What will I bring in that next life? Will I bring a greater understanding? Or will I struggle, he said-she said, good-evil, back-and-forth, not really transcendent?
I think Conflict REVOLUTION and Einstein, from his deeply passionate place in Afterlife, after his very intense life, has brought us this knowledge and this formula for how to become that change.
Lily: Would Albert have brought this work back into the world from Afterlife had he not made the decision he made about encouraging Roosevelt to build the bomb and all those people died? I’ve never thought of it that way until just now. Had he not made that decision in fear—we have to admit that’s fear-based: he went into his fear, he made this choice, he influenced something in the world that he was then dreadfully sorry for and had to forgive in his own life. Part of his forgiveness of himself I think is what he’s sending to the planet now.
Barbara: And that makes me tear up. In going back to the beginning of describing the minutiae of how we took the information from a channeling session on January 26, 1994, read it while we were having a fight, and instantly saw how making that different choice brought not only a different direction for us, but in that moment, I couldn’t have loved you two any more. It was so much love to sit down and say, “I hate my friend!” Theoretically, to say, “OK, I’ve been being crappy to my friends. I didn’t realize that.”
If we hadn’t had that conflict, I never would have—so that moment, that moment was a victory for Albert Einstein. It’s a personal one. We always said after the fact we felt like the angels had filled up the dining room and were watching and all applauding.
Lily: I wish we could help you understand what happened that day. Just talking about it, just reading the words on the page of what we went through on that day, does not capture it. Something happened in that moment, what’s the word? Alchemy. Turning lead into gold. It got us from, “I hate you, it’s all your fault!” to “Oh, my God, I can see what I’m doing, and I love you because you showed it to me. I love you because now I see it in myself and now I can heal it! Thank you.”
Barbara: Imagine, in the big seven generations of Albert Einstein, in that moment of seeing the process that he figured out—we have to change each individual, we have to require each individual to change themselves one step at a time, to watch it in action, to watch the success. I guess I never looked at it that way until this moment. It’s overwhelming to realize that we were volunteers and were chosen to be in that moment. And from that, everything else has sprung. Wow!
Is there anything else you want to share about your book, your work, your life? I know it’s coming out on Easter.
Lily: It is. April 16, 2017. Amazon.com. Working feverishly on my website right now to get everything to come together at the right time. It will be what it’s meant to be.
I’m grateful for this opportunity to talk to y’all and share this message. It’s up to us. That’s what Jesus said. “Greater things that I’ve done, you will do.” We have to step into that power. He left us all that we needed to know. I talk about that in the book. He left us all we needed to know to do this, and we are reinforced by the work of Einstein and the Party and the angels.
I was thinking a moment ago that A Course in Miracles says something along the lines of, “The holiest place on earth is where an ancient hate has become a present love.”
Lily: This information is universal. We are supported. We are loved. We are encouraged as we go through these experiences that we came here to have. Sometimes it just doesn’t come in a pretty package, but it’s still a gift.
It is February 26, 2017. Here we are in the second part of our telechannel. I am in beautiful Minneapolis with my friend Kimberly Lilith Phelps, and you are all over. Let’s take a moment to close our eyes and take some deep breaths. As you breathe, think about the spectrum of potential that exists within you. Understand that it is not a sin or a fatal flaw or some disruption in the mechanism, but that the human consciousness was specifically designed to create the entire spectrum, from the worst most possible evil to the highest most divine good.
And we will command that only the most divine light shine down upon you at this time and the greatest good be present here.
It is such a pleasure to be here on this glorious day with all of you. Your conversations have so much power. The ideas that you are bringing forth and honoring and articulating are exactly what this world needs to hear right now. Everything that Barbara and Lily have been talking about is accurate and true. This work is being done not just by those of you who are listening, not just by Lily and Barbara, but also by millions of people around the world dedicated to becoming the change. Never before have there been this many people living on the planet with that awakening consciousness within them.
And indeed, it is the Christ consciousness that is making itself known to be human, humans, shall we say. Jesus, who always has been a very integral part of the Party of 12, comes again to illustrate and demonstrate through humans the idea of being human and being divine. His life on earth in the physical body was a demonstration of what is possible for any human.
This time on the planet, 2017, is like no other time that comes before it. When Jesus walked the earth during that time period and the development of the human mind and the human intellect was at a certain level of consciousness, he was dealing with an entirely different set of intellects and intelligences and human consciousness.
The New Operating System
Today (and all of you who are listening to this are included in this) this is, in fact, a new human. You are all embodying the new human prototype, and we are so honored and excited to be watching this emerge. We don’t want to talk too much about your political system. We don’t want to focus on any one individual who represents evil to you.
Because if you look at humans, there are those who support the person that you think might be doing the evil, who perceive others as actually being the ones who doing the evil. So there are those who truly perceive that the individuals in the Middle East who are known as ISIS, who are truly doing evil things, are the ones you as humans need protection from. And so much like Einstein, who urged Roosevelt to develop nuclear weapons and then watched as it destroyed humans, there are people on the planet who are looking in that way, who are seeing true evil but taking actions that are not addressing their own safety.
So it doesn’t matter which evil you put in front to address, whether it’s ISIS, Trump, Hitler, any number of world leaders who have been tyrants, who have destroyed lives and killed people. That doesn’t matter. What matters most is that each individual can look at those others whom they perceive as doing this evil and understand the true nature of what is going on. This is a spectrum where you yourselves must choose.
Saying No to Compassion
The idea of being able to say no to the voice of God is an important piece of your structure. God can come to you in the way of Intuition and tell you, “Rest your body,” and you can say no and make decisions that push you forward into making decisions for the good of the few—the ego that wants to be in charge—at the expense of a many.
Your Intuition, your Emotion, your Witness, and your Body are innate characteristics of being human. Now is the time when humans are arising to this truth and making the conscious choice to be the one who is going to make decisions for the good of the whole, starting with the self. Even though at this juncture in our experimentation we cannot guarantee anything, we can tell you that if you start with this basis inside yourself, where you are going to be ruled by an alignment to Compassion—guided by the voice of Intuition (which is the voice of the compassionate God within you), training the Intellect to do the bidding of the Intuition—then you will create a groundwork and be able to plant seeds in that energy of your own self that will grow to be the divine world that you’re seeking to create—where:
… The manifestation of the divine is on the forefront and where the spectrum of evil to divine gets unified into a spectrum of decisions guided by Intuition.
The Voice of Intuition
Oftentimes, because Intuition will impel you to take an action that may not logically impact the situation like you want it to, nonetheless, Intuition has a much broader amount of information given to it by the Observer out in the heavens, which is sending all the information of what’s happening in the Lens back to the Source, coming up your gravitational wave, being a part of your Intuition. It knows a much, much bigger picture than your Intellect will ever know. And even if you have a visionary Intellect like Barbara does, where you can see pictures of the future, your Intuition supersedes any intellectual power.
So to live by this system is what sets you up to manifest that greatest good on the planet.
The more that you can remove your own descriptions of how the future should unfold—what you want to see happen to unfold, what you think is good and divine that should unfold, what you judge is evil that shouldn’t be happening—your Intuition always, always will tell you the next step for the good of the whole. Your Intellect cannot. Your Intellect, however, must be the one that makes the conscious choice to listen to the Intuition and then make the decision to implement that step into action.
Einstein and the Bomb
In that sense, if we go back to Einstein making the decision to urge Roosevelt to create the atom bomb that then killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese people, he was following his Intuition based upon the circumstances of the times that he was in. He wasn’t conscious of looking seven generations. He thought he was taking action to protect the seven generations. He wasn’t aware that his fear-based decision-making would have such an influence as it did. And yet, in the greater, bigger, bigger, bigger picture of things, in the lifelong history of the planet earth to emerge humans onto the gardens, he was playing his part.
In that time, there could not have been another choice for him. There was no other choice for him to make in that time. Quite ironically, perhaps, had he not pushed this forward, had the U.S. not developed the nuclear weapon, it very well could have been that Germany had, and other massive damage was done, not to Japan, but perhaps to the U.S. In that sense, he would not have felt a personal responsibility that would drive him in Afterlife to the utmost end.
Oftentimes humans who have terrible things happen to them, whether they choose to do it—someone who chooses to murder someone—or whether it’s done to them—someone is murdered or some other evil act takes place—each has an impact that can be leading to the spectrum of divinity. It’s doesn’t guarantee it. It’s not a given. But when the murderer has perpetrated this act, if you look past it, there is a cooperative dance with the soul of the one who was murdered. Maybe you can’t see all other lives where they murdered each other back and forth. It doesn’t make it any less evil on a spectrum. But every act gives that human the opportunity to then rise above and transcend the spectrum.
Rather than having a left and right spectrum, where over here on the left is the evil and over here on the right is the divine, we want to switch it to where it’s up and down. On the most primal human physical world in the Lens, that is where evil is most likely to be manifest. And “up” in the divine, in the non-physical, in the whole system, in understanding your whole system, that is the divine, where you are living in the consciousness of God. Understanding your whole entire system, not just the Lens, not just your physical body, but your spirit, the gravitational wave, the string that spins, the three-pronged human intention, the compilation of consciousness coming out of the void—the whole ball of wax. That is what divinity is, living in that truth.
And when you are living in that truth, and there’s a part of you that is literally conscious when you’re going over the North Pole and back into the center of the earth, that spinning string, that is when you begin to alignment to Compassion. Because becoming aware and awake and conscious in that part of you that is close to the center of the earth in Emotion, in the part of the wave that is Emotion, by working on bringing that consciousness to life at that point in your entire operating system, you also instantly affect in your physical body your feelings. They’re interrelated: they reflect each other, feelings with a small F, Emotion with a capital E.
This is divinity. This is living in the alignment where Intuition impels Intellect to take action to fulfill the impelling of God that is in you. That is the way. Sometimes Intuition impels, as we say, in ways that you don’t understand with your Intellect. You’ve all had the experience where us think Intuition told you to do something, but then it turned out all verklumpt. It didn’t turn out to be what you think is for the highest good. But that is the challenge. You cannot judge what [outcome] is for the highest good.
The Trigger of Trump
So in the political arena, it’s very clear that having the candidate who may appear to be the most supportive of you might have been the least good for the whole. Because people might not have engaged as much as they have, as much as they are, standing up for each other, standing up for themselves. And therein lies the irony and the paradox of this work that we are doing with you, and of course the work of the ages of accepting whatever is happening right in front of you, no matter how evil it looks, as divine. Because the very fact that you’re sitting there in a physical body observing whatever’s going on around you is the manifestation of the miraculous power of Compassion and God. It doesn’t matter if you’re sick or fat or making good decisions or living a life of peace.
Just the very fact that your energy has merged with Compassion to create consciousness, and your consciousness has merged with the mathematics in your compilation to create mass and matter is a miracle that will need years and years and years in understanding from science. When you start with that, you also have to understand that the spectrum from evil to divine is a spectrum that exists within the Lens. Evil does not exist outside of the Lens. It is a byproduct of human decision-making. Without your physical body, when the Lens disappears but your string is still spinning with thoughts, feelings, senses, memories, and the hologram of your DNA in a space-time body, you are back to pure divinity, pure perfect creation.
HIGHLIGHT As Lily said, becoming human is about creating a physical space-time DNA body that is the housing of the energy that is married to Compassion that has formed this consciousness that is then married to the map of the physical world that is coming up through the center of the planet and into the Lens, creating the physical body, projecting all of that miraculous information out of the body through your thoughts, feelings, senses, and then revolving and coming back to you so you’re perceiving that universe. That alone is a divine process that cannot be undercut by any decision you make within your human form.
Now, humanity may very well make decisions that destroy the world, but the consciousness remains. The energy doesn’t die. A new world will be born. There will never be an end to creation. It will create in different ways. But right now, our desire is to inspire you to become those gods, to understand the power that you have within yourself, to set your intention to live a life where you are dedicated to making decisions for the good of the whole that start within you and then are projected out naturally into the environment.
Be Your Own Scientist
All of you who have experimented with this so far and changed your lives by using our suggestions and our processes (and others that aren’t labeled as ours), you have experienced you yourself picking up your power and changing your life and seeing how your change within you has affected the manifestation of the physical world around you. You’ve seen people you’ve previously been fighting with, who you thought were doing evil acts against you, shift and transform to where now you have peace with them. Not by going at them, not by trying to make them change, but by realizing that they’re a projection of your inner world. What can you learn from that projection if you’re triggered by it? What gift has that person come to give you if you’re triggered emotionally by it?
So not only do you revolve your focus back and find areas in your life you may not have ever seen if that person had not come to trigger you and be in conflict with you. They led you to Emotion that has abscessed that you may never have known was there. This dance of great cooperation is the very reason you are here.
We feel so optimistic right now. We understand that there is a lot of strife and destruction and evil going on in the Lens of your world right now and you are scared and stressed out. But what we see is a huge awakening. One of the reasons that we know this and that we’re so optimistic is exactly what has been talked about here today.
When we began these experimentations with Teresa and Lily and Barbara, it was a chaotic mess. And there were times when these three women used to call it “blowing themselves up,” when they would not speak to each other. If you just took it at face value, you would think it was a miserable failure. But over time, with each individual doing her own work, they have transformed their relationship, transformed their world together, transformed their individual lives first. Now there is a peace, and on the other side of it is the synergy of creation.
Anything is possible. What are you going to intend to create with this powerful energy that you have within you that’s married to Compassion that then merged that consciousness with the math to create the matter that you are experiencing? This is your creation. You get to work within that framework. What you are going to create, to intend? Take it from us. This is a time of such brilliance and great awakening all across the planet. Do not let yourself be stressed out and dragged down and fooled by what you perceive are those decisions that are being made.
We can tell you what we know and what Einstein has learned: it won’t matter what is happening as far as the evil, such at Hitler did, such as you may perceive Trump or the administration as doing. You cannot change it by going directly at it. For all of Einstein’s consternation about what Hitler was doing and his great devotion for traveling the planet and trying to fix the conflict at the level that it was being created, he did not succeed. He did not succeed in the short-term goal of stopping the Nazi empire from expanding. Part of what happened was an economic force. The economics ran its course with the Nazis. Part of it was a shifting momentum of how war operates. But even though the war ended, it did not end war. So it was a short-term fix, only to have it reemerge today with this global threat.
So don’t feel guilty if you can’t stop this movement by going directly at it. We’re not saying don’t go and march or write to your senator or congressperson or participate in that movement. But do that as an adjunct to this deeper understanding and to this deeper work that you now know how to do.
We are here as advisors. It is a strong purpose that brought together the original Party of 12. Each of those individuals, when they were in their DNA space-time bodies, had a passion for life on earth, for their environment, and their realm of where they were working. Upon losing their bodies, they came together to see if they could make this different, and we are seeing great, enormous success.
We have often said as well that what we are doing is something that is planting seeds. We see the seeds are growing. We are elated to see that the seeds that we have planted in Teresa and Lily and Barbara are growing into the magnificent outcome that we had hoped.
This growth won’t stop. In fact, after their passing, there will be an even bigger movement, and this information is so far ahead of its time that it will only continue to grow. But it is dependent upon you as human beings making decisions, making your commitment to do work for the good of the whole.
Q & A
With all of that said, we would like to open for any questions or conversations you might have.
Q: Hello! Thank you. That was lovely. My question has to do with, sometimes it feels that it takes a lot of time to do a revolution. It isn’t always fast. Some revolutions I’ve been working on I will work on for a year or more. Could you address how to feel more comfortable with that? When we look at the outer world and think things are happening so fast, how can our process where we sometimes have to be very patient with ourselves, with other people, with the process, taking time to dig deeper, how can we feel not like we’re not going to be able to keep up because sometimes the peace process take more time? It isn’t just building a bigger gun or bigger warfare.
A: What’s important to remember is that it is about what you achieve in a day. It’s not about measuring your actions against what you see happen in the news headlines or the latest story from the White House or the suffering and the pain of people around you. It is measured internally.
We did a series once called “World Peace in a Day.” It was reflective of that fact that if your body is the projector and the perceiver of the universe, then you are the world. You have the world inside you. And if at any time in the course of the day in which you’re living you can bring peace within you, that contribution is the seed that is planted. If you’re looking for patience, think of yourself as walking around the garden and sticking the seeds into the fresh spring earth and then standing there and belittling yourself because you don’t have a whole corn plant or your geraniums haven’t bloomed yet! What’s wrong with you? The world is going to hell!
Part of it is a nurturing of the self and instilling in you a repetitive, “Begin again. Begin again. Begin again.” Always begin each day as a brand-new day, and in any day you can’t find peace. [This is] world peace in a day. This is why you’re here, as Lily had said. You’re coming here to tackle all these issues. So even though you’re tackling all these questions, even though you’re feeling the frustration of it, it’s not that you’re doing it wrong. It’s that you’re doing it right because you’re doing it, however you nurture that relationship with yourself each and every day. Then there comes a point of faith, where you have to put your money where you mouth is. If this is what you believe to be the truth, you really have to live that way.
But the bottom line is feeling and breathing, because there are deep embedded abscesses of emotion that are stuck in the center of the earth from years and years and years and centuries and decades and all of this time that has passed where war didn’t stop war, partly because it hasn’t emptied that abscess in the planet.
So you as the whole planet have to keep emptying that abscess. It’s why you’re here.
Our suggestion is, when you get frustrated, give yourself activity alongside of the work you’re doing on yourself, alongside the work you’re doing in the world, to enjoy and appreciate and find a way to love life. Find a way to experience the deep gratitude of love that you have in this physical body—that you’re alive regardless of what’s going on around you—and do things that bring you so much joy, whether it’s an afternoon nap, your dancing, meeting new people, going for a walk in nature—you must make those choices also to find a way to love your life just as it is.
Q: I really like the writings from the Michael entity. There are a bunch of channels who write about the information from the Michael entity, about how people have different soul ages and how you go through different lifetimes, baby, infant, young soul, mature old soul. When I learned about that, it helped me let go and relax and accept people a lot, because I figure people are in their soul stages and it seems to fit. What’s your input on that whole concept?
A: We agree with the concept that there are conditions that you experience as a human being where now you’re in a physical body and you are experiencing the conditions of a young soul. That is, a human being who isn’t really tapped into empirical knowledge that you bring with you into that life. It’s like everything is fresh and new. That can go both ways as well. Just because there’s a young soul doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed that you’re going to be making mistakes or acting like an idiot. There’s freshness about it. And you can certainly superimpose each stage of life to the stage of the condition of your soul.
We feel that at this point there are many, many old souls who have chosen to come together at this time to bring that collective knowledge to the planet to be a synchronistic force of change of the evolution of human consciousness. But there are certainly still fresh souls, new souls, and teenage souls. And being an old soul, again, doesn’t guarantee that it’s all wisdom. There are people who are old in life who struggle with happiness, who are depressed at being at the end of life. There’s no guarantee that any one place on that spectrum will be better or more powerful than the other. It just is clearly a way to delineate sometimes between the conditions that humans are experiencing.
Q: I have another question. I look at life like there are all these souls who have all these chances to come on earth, and as time progresses (I know with the concurrent lives that whole idea of time is, I don’t know, I don’t get that, but …) I see that as time progresses some people who were alive with Hitler, all those people who were incarnated at that time got that experience and learned the lessons of that. And it makes sense to me that we repeat things, there’s some repeating just because souls who needed to learn those lessons and have those same types of experiences have to be able to have a chance to come, and that’s maybe why someone else like Hitler will come, because someone else needs to learn those lessons, too. Does that make sense?
A: Yes. And it is, in fact, the continual cycle of creation that is in play there. For example, those people who died in the Holocaust, because of the way that they died and the way that they lived at the end of their lives, their souls became a collective consciousness of Compassion. The people who perpetrated these things against them, the guards, all of the millions of people in Germany in support of the Final Solution and the Nazis, they, too, became a kind of group consciousness in Afterlife, learning about the impact of their decision-making. You can see a big auditorium filled with a debate, one side and the other, being able to have dialogue with those who died in the death camps, to be able to give them an opportunity to reincarnate and bring that balance.
What you saw was, for example, in 9/11, that many, many of the victims of 9/11 had been part of that group consciousness of the guards and supporters of the Holocaust. This is the nature of reincarnation and the nature of the creation of life. What we’re trying to do is to help end that karmic return so that you as an individual making decisions for the good of the whole and being very conscientious of all of the truth of history. You’re going to contribute to the unification of the human consciousness to where the idea that making decisions for the good of the whole means that if you harm another part of the whole, you’ve just harmed yourself. So now we have to recreate that.
It’s not a perfect science, because you have these billions of physical lives that interacted, came into Afterlife connected, and went back into the next life connected with a flip on things. It’s not a perfect science, but it’s what is going on right now. The more you can do this in your own life, the more you can help bring that unification in the longer term.
In other words, there are people maybe in your youth who were mean to you and hurt you. For you to find forgiveness means that you release that resentment, that attachment from them, that you find a peace within, that you find the reflection and heal your own, and then find love for them. That means you’re free now. You’re no longer doing this dance back and forth together, coming back in and living out these different lives. What will that look like, when humanity reaches that point? Then you have achieved heaven on earth.
Q: I hear energy healers talk about how energy is—some people say it’s speeding up or the earth is rotating faster or there’s getting to be a higher frequency. How is that affecting us physically? What is that about? Is that part of, as we get more enlightened, that happens? Are we achieving this, or is it just part of the progression of life that would happen no matter what we were doing?
A: It is a collective consciousness that is changing, but of course, the collective consciousness is just the product of millions of individual consciousnesses. You are a reflection of that collective consciousness.
But what is speeding up is that you as Cassandra allow your consciousness to become aware of the whole of who you are. So you’re not just in the Lens now, you’re conscious in the three human dimensions on the gravitational wave that is in the non-physical and in the center of the earth. You’re conscious of the part of you out in the heavens that’s observing. You’re conscious of the string that’s spinning down. What’s happening is that in those non-physical parts of the operating system, there isn’t time. Everything moves at the speed of light squared. But when that wave comes up to the surface of the planet and breaks through into the Lens and creates your physical body to be the projector and the perceiver, in that Lens, everything slows down to the speed of light and is separated.
But the more that you as a human, with that body that’s projecting and then perceiving, allow your consciousness to open up and you can be aware of these other places, you are bringing into the Lens a faster speed of light squared that exists all around you outside [the Lens]. So it’s not necessarily destroying the speed of light in the Lens, but it is overlaying the speed of light (M) with the speed of light squared (M2) of the non-physical that exists in the rest of your operating system.
And that whole operating system, when it gets to the Lens, slows down and everything separates and the chair is no longer inside you. That’s true. But also in that is the non-physical. In that, you have feelings, you have thoughts. Those are the non-physical. They exist in the place that’s traveling at the speed of light squared. So it’s a unification of those two worlds.
And it isn’t automatic because you’re human. It isn’t that every human will be consciously experiencing this. Some humans may not be consciously experiencing it. It still might be having an effect on them, making them sick or worry or confused because they don’t really understand what energy does, how energy works. They’re working just in the Lens and so they’re looking for answers that impact just in the Lens.
You as a doctor understand that sometimes people’s emotional state is so disrupted and they have no idea that it’s happening, but their physical body is responding to it. Your job is to not just treat their body, but bring their Intellect and their Intuition and their Emotion into view for that person so that they can begin making different decisions about how they’re going to deal with and release all that energy. It’s a very individual relationship that every human has to this expanding consciousness and this unification of the entire operating system.
Q: So to summarize, it sounds like as we collectively—the collective consciousness—as we evolve, we’re contributing to the speeding up of energy. It sounds like this is happening all over the earth to everyone, because even if people aren’t consciously working on it, it’s affecting them.
Q: But some people will be able to work with it more easily than others, is that right?
A: Yes. Those of you who have trained yourselves to understand what energy is, how it operates, will have a different relationship to it. It’s much like before you went to medical school, long before you became a doctor and didn’t know anything about how the human body operates in conjunction with itself. You went through a learning process, and now you have a whole lot of different ways that you would approach healing a physical ailment than you did before you went to medical school.
It’s the same way with energy. You and everyone who’s listening to this have been studying how energy works, so you’ll have a different relationship to it. When you feel anxiety, it’s more likely that you will choose to get out of your head and start to breathe that anxiety and attach an intellectual description to it that is loving and kind and says, “Here’s this wave of anxiety. I’ll use my breath to move it.” That’s a very evolved way of dealing with this very highly accelerated speed of light squared energy.
Other people don’t have that language, that focus, and they only know that they’re discomforted, so they’ll maybe go to the doctor and the doctor will give them some pills to make them not feel that anxiety. That is a whole other set of repercussions that come up for that individual making those decisions. So yes, you are correct in those assumptions.
Q: This whole idea of energy work is getting more popular, with Healing Touch and acupuncture and all techniques. It’s really exciting. It seems like it’s effective. But I always feel like it’s more of a short-term thing. Is that enough to get some people to where they just keep getting energy treatments? I feel like that’s a really healthy thing to do, but I want to do the other stuff, too. Can you review that?
A: It is as you say, a shorter-term opening. It serves to take some initial steps to get people acquainted with what emotional energy feels like in their bodies and how to adjust it in their body.
But eventually the goal is to have people be so self-aware and so self-monitoring that they not only understand and can feel this Emotional energy, but they understand that the decisions that they make affect how that emotional energy works within their body. The ultimate healing and control takes place within their own mechanism with the expansion of their own understanding of themselves. But in the meantime, those techniques to open up that energy to them are very important and very effective in those stages.
But we don’t think that humans were coming here to be dependent upon someone else or something outside themselves or some action that they take only to deal with Emotion in that way. It’s not meant to be the healthy operating system, that there’s a constant administering from without to deal with that state.
We are going to close the channel at this time and thank all of you who are listening and who have participated in this. This work is so important. We never want to see you underestimate the power of what you have within you. We are here to inspire you and inform you and educate you and sometimes prod you this way and that.
But ultimately you are the divine one. You are the soul seeking to manifest in human form the most divine human possible. You are, in fact, human. You are, in fact, divine. Every decision you make is the key to how you are going to help evolve the planet for the greatest good.
We command that only the most divine light shine down upon us at this time, and the greatest good be present here.
In our dissertation today, we want to talk about personal stories and the resurrection of the personal story. The personal story is the description that guides the manifestation of your perception. This piece of your personal story has a tricky energy. Whatever it is, it’s absolutely necessary to enable you to have the human experience, to sit in that chair, lie in that bed, drive that car, look out the window. The quality and the nature of and how you use that personal story is your homework. This resurgence, this resurrection of the glorious story will become the next step in your self-awareness.
In the Easter tradition, there are many allegorical parallels to the personal story and how the personal story of Jesus changed through even the weekend of his special event. On the third day he rose from the dead and appeared to those closest to him, those who loved him the most, so there was an Emotion—with a capital E. They were still vibrating very close to the source together, and the imprint, the desire to see Jesus was strong amongst the apostles and the women and his mother—everyone who mourned Jesus. Those elements were alive.
The story was a great tragedy. The greatest tragedy of all was Mary giving birth to this child with the expectation that he would become a king and then seeing him die as a criminal on a cross. That represents the greatest individual torment possible on earth, greater than any holocaust, the deepest pain possible.
Then, the story changed, overnight. That horrible earthly tragedy took place, and yet beyond this earthly world there’s a non-physical reality. “Jesus is in front of us. We know he’s dead, but there’s his light body,” they were thinking. Part of why Jesus brought his message onto the earth plane at that time in that development of human beings, the evolution of human mind and thinking, was because they were still connected to the earth traditions. They weren’t that far away from the “worship” of sky and wind and air and being ruled by those things.
So bringing forth this advanced idea to this time, hooked in a body connection, those people literally experiencing Jesus’s resurrection, him appearing after his body had passed, was not too far off from a few generations of experiences of humans being close to the earth, being able to see the magic of the planet, being a part of nature and the way it rules the planet: Mother Nature. Part of that was the natural passing of people and spirits to the non-physical world. There was so much they didn’t understand.
This change in the personal story brought a new hope, a new understanding that in human times, considering the progress through time of the evolution of the human in the physical world, has taken thousands of years to process. Today, you’re seeing that in human evolution all things are being put on the table. It’s very difficult to hide evil any more, even in yourself. Much of this is greatly due to the work that you are individually doing in your lives to be committed to compassion. That’s the bottom line. It’s not whether you’re a Christian or a Muslim or an atheist or you practice Conflict Revolution. It’s that you are a human being having a human experience, and while you’re given tie privilege of being on the planet, you want to contribute to the greatest good—not because you should, but because you can.
That is the answer to dealing with evil right now. Everything you see happening around you, very realistically—the earth is being polluted, the waters are being poisoned—those are very real things in your dramas, in your lenses. So why not, since you have come here, recognize the signs of your personal mission to commit to compassion? You become a force. You channel the entirety of God’s love or compassion in the scientific sense of the synergy of it all. When you channel compassion, you tap into a power that cannot be accessed any other way.
This new spring surging forth in humanity is something we want to help guide you forward with, to the best of our ability. We understand that human beings, especially in this time period, are far more experimental than they are predictable. And we want to encourage you at this time to continue to be more experimental than you are predictable. What “predictable” means is that your personal story has taken over part of the mechanism and is running an operation in the whole system, whereas if it were just adjusted just a tiny bit, you could open up to a much greater power within yourself.
Think of this in terms of sitting in a chair. If everyone who’s sitting in a chair, even if you’re driving, can sit up straight and be conscious of your shoulders raised to the heavens and your shoulder blades back, your rib cage lifted, your abdomen and core tight, your pelvis tipped—feel that, and then if you just take a little fold forward and let your head drop, that’s not very much of a difference in position. But because it’s out of line, bending over and just hanging, from the systems that are running in your body, the bone structure and the neurological structure and how they all work together, that one little change can make a very big difference.
We want to challenge each of you, as you’re moving forward into the weeks and months ahead, to take a look at your personal story. Once you begin to invite this perspective, ask this question. “Can you show me my personal stories and how they limit me?” This is a good way to phrase anything that you’re seeking an answer to, rather than, “Why did this happen? Why did that happen?” Ask rather, “Can you show me places in my life where my personal story’s getting in the way or where I can make some minor adjustments to it?”
This kind of self-awareness comes in tiny chunks. This isn’t a lot of brainpower you have to analyze through or a lot to learn. You’re adopting a position, a perspective that is your power. Often you hear, “You are what you think.” We refute this by saying that, yes, you are what you think, what you sense, what you emote, but then a bigger system in place. Thoughts have a tremendous part in this, but let’s shift that now to, “You are your perspective.” That puts it in an interactive place where now, when you look at it that way, you say, “What is my perspective here?” You step out quickly into your witness and you see, “Look at that anger triggering those thoughts that are influencing me to say or think this perspective about that drama!”
When you come to the awareness of your control of your perspective, you are freed from thinking that you’re controlling something that you’re perceiving. That’s a different thing. There’s your perspective, and then there’s what you are perceiving. We’re talking very basically about your perspective. For those of you who might be listening for the first time, we want to paint a little picture for you to understand this.
Think about the eyeball and how it operates. It’s not just the eyeball. There’s the back of the eyeball, where theoretically in this case the blender that is sitting on the counter across the room is inverted and projected onto the back inside curvature of the eyeball through the lens. That’s technically how things work. It turns 180 degrees and it gets onto the inside of the curvature of your lens.
In our introduction to you as a greater you, a bigger system, the perceiver is the inside curvature of the lens. Your perception that you have the control is there. The blender across the room is not in your human mind’s control. What is in your human mind’s control is how you choose to have a personal story and perceive the world. That is where all of your power lies.
Feeling all of your emotion, writing new, open-ended stories, listening to intuition—there are many different steps to keep living, being in control of your thinking process and how it relates to your emotion, knowing what intuition is in your own self. How does it feel, how does it function? Those are things you need to do as well.
But when we talk about your perception, this lens with which you operate, you have the telephoto lens and the wide-angle lens, and there’s a purpose for each. It isn’t that you have only one perception. Your perception will change constantly depending on what you’re walking in on. That’s our way of saying, either you sit in your head and analyze all sorts of things as your body’s moving through life, or you open up that chest and get that wide-angle lens going, quieting down the mind that’s observing present moment, listening to intuition, being in the moment, being on the ready, waiting to discover how your answers will be manifest, because they will when you say, “Can you show me where my personal story is preventing me from manifesting the things that I think I want?”
With this perception that you choose to have, you’re ready for the magic. You’re aligning yourself to compassion, letting that energy flow through you and manifest and then have an effect on the blender over there on the counter. It’s the greater you in concert with itself that changes the manifestation in front of you, whether it’s the change in a relationship, that you want to become a telekinetic person and move physical matter—whatever you’re trying to manifest, this change of perception that you can do with your human mind allows so much to happen.
It’s like if you could do a theoretical experiment where someone purposely walked hunched over their whole life and someone else purposely did yoga all their life. Again, not a very big change in position of the body, but a healthy versus an unhealthy change. You would certainly see that person who walked and worked hunched over eventually curl up, the body degenerating. The person standing up, with their angle wide open, is ready to hear when intuition says, “Zoom in now, zoom that lens into the telephoto and let’s take a quick look at this close-up thing. OK, pull it back.” It’s like the lens of your eye, letting in enough light. If there’s too much light, it closes down. If there’s not enough light, it opens up.
You can create personal stories that let you live a life like that. How will you do it? How will you get out of your mind? How will you change your personal story? Of course we have a few suggestions, but we also want to talk about the synthesis that resurrection brings, the unification when, for example, you can look at all of the past of your life, the events that caused you to be who you are today, very real things for that human you, the essence of your human experience. This is important, and it’s becoming important in a different way, in a way that is a platform, a springboard to this new life, this resurrection as you’re moving forward, all of you, in your lives.
How can you personally find that new story on all levels and help build a structure that’s wide open, intuitive, waiting for that next most advantageous step? If you want to practice intuition, you can do it about everything—about what you’ll eat, what you should buy at the store. Practice not just in that moment making a choice that feels like your intuition, that’s one piece of it, but letting intellect go, as the days go on, you ask, “Should I buy this cheese or that cheese?” and you go, “Oh, here, this one,” that probably doesn’t make as much difference as, “Should I marry this person or not?”
There are different levels of intuitive relationships that you can nurture with yourself, and how the intellect then analyzes and processes the results of those decisions requires passing through time. It could be that you get home and you realize you bought parmesan when you should have bought feta. Life doesn’t really change very much. If you marry or don’t marry, you have years of experiences that show you what that intuitive message was about. If, for example, your marriage didn’t work, would you look back and say, “What was wrong with my intuition?”
Your new story is to understand that intuition is a process, and part of the process is getting that wild, crazy intellect of your human mind—your ego self that’s always going on and on—relaxed, how to stop thinking. We know, it’s a big question, one of the most difficult processes that a human can choose to undergo, to get that kind of control over what it going on in your intellect, and yet religions have practiced this idea of not thinking for thousands of years.
Think back to what human life was like 2,500 years ago and more. Primitive in terms of modern conveniences, but very close to the earth. Could be highly evolved, but it wasn’t nearly as chaotic as the culture you live in today. The amount of thinking that is required of you, of your brain, just to process information that you’re getting all the time, between the Internet and advertising and in the airwaves, the cell phone signals. And now, of course, us coming and asking you all this information about who you are in the non-physical, this unthinkable thing of trying to name God, trying to show you how God works. You’re being barraged. This is really a critical time in human mental health. The good news is that all of you are being pushed to be your own mental health practitioners.
We want to speak about anxiety. How does anxiety fit into the resurrection? Anxiety is first of all a natural energy. Think of it like thunder or lightning. The actual energy of anxiety itself is a building block of a series of energetic frequencies that exist in Emotion with a capital E, being that very deep primordial place within you where the whole world is held, that mustard seed, all the mathematics that will spring forth and be that blender over there.
This ultimate primal place of emotion is the place where all of this magnificent creation—and yes, we will call the blender a magnificent creation, and everything else that’s around you—begins at this place within, of such cacophony. If we could bring you down close to see all of the molecules of the blender mixing with the stove, mixing with Barbara, mixing with all of that, that place is beyond story. We can say all of this and spark your imagination, but until you go there and feel it in your body—there isn’t an intellect, there aren’t thought processes at this level. You define that anxiety as something that’s wrong with you that you have to make right or that you’re healing.
We’re trying to write a new story to say that you are revolutionizing mental health. Anxiety is just an energy that is part of a cacophony of energies working its way up the gravitational wave and is a part of creating the blender, of creating everything. The job then becomes to know that you’re learning a new worldview, a new system, that now you have to write your new story about how you’re going to find meaning in that anxiety and experience it. We of course advocate for separating the story of why you think you’re having anxiety from this beautiful—albeit intense—energy, but if you’re breathing it through and using it as fuel, think about that car being hurled through space at 40 miles an hour or more with all that flammable liquid. That’s emotion, and anxiety is a part of that.
You’re resurrecting yourself into a magician who will turn that anxiety into something more than you can even know. That’s how you can word if it you’d like to. When you stop letting the anxiety marry itself to the story that there’s something wrong with you and it’s a bad day, and you let it just flow and love it, you’ll find compassion. It’s part of the whole. It’s not something that needs to be healed, it needs to be transmogrified into your power. You have the power to change your perspective. You are the only one who has the power to change your perspective, and these are some of the hardest things that we can ask a human, intellectual, emotional, intuitive, space-time body with consciousness to do.
What we’re asking you to do is some of the most difficult work on the planet right now. And yet, every time all of you do it, you find that the smallest shift in your perception can make a huge difference in an operating system. How many of you have experienced this? How many of you have had conflicts with your mother or your sisters or your children or any of that? And when you go inside and you change yourself, you come back to that arena without even having spoken to any of them, and it’s different. They react differently.
This is the resurrection of anxiety into a power. Now when you’re getting on a plane or wherever you find this anxiety, you change your perspective. You say, “Ah! This is uncomfortable, but it’s my power, and I’m going to breathe with it.” And that becomes the answer. “I’ll get out of my head and breathe this, love it, have compassion for it,” whatever your words are for how you include it for the good of the whole. How can that anxiety contribute to the good of the whole?
Now that you’ve got yourself tapped into this power that previously had been termed a sickness, an illness, something to heal, now that you’ve got yourself around this power of anxiety, what personal story do you want to marry it to? We want to encourage you all to experiment with it to put in your wildest dreams. Maybe you’ve been working to take a vacation or an adventure. Grab onto that anxiety with your breath, be moving it. You can even still have that frantic, chaotic thought process where might want to say, “There’s something wrong with you. You can’t get through this. Don’t let go, because the last time you let go it was so bad.” You can even have all that going on.
But if you consciously, with conscious intention, put in a thought that says, “I want to create an adventure,” it can be that specific to your physical world. In fact, we want you to experiment with these feelings of anxiety and actually put any “bad” feelings into that equation. If it’s your anger, your anxiety, your dread, we want you to experiment with what that piece of the mechanism will be, that conscious, creative thought.
We’re not saying you should use this great magnificent power of tapping into your compassion to create a red sports car, because that’s what manifestation is about. That is not what we’re saying. What we’re saying is, “Listen. While you’re in those bodies, while you have this information in front of you and the coach who’s here to help you, experiment. Experiment with setting aside the story of anxiety, anger, depression. Put in a new story that says you’re going to do this in a new way.” It’ll be breath work. The first thing about anxiety is that the breath separates the emotion from the thinking process. The thinking is in your head, and the anxiety is in your solar plexus. You take a breath and it fills your chest between them. That brings them together and separates them at the same time.
There are all of these things going on. What do you want to do with this energy? You’ve got yourself around it now. What do you want to create? It’s that creative. That new story, overnight, went from, “Oh, I’m a terrible sick person. I have these anxieties,” to a whole new way of seeing things. What do you want to create? Experiment. And as we said, we’re not suggesting that your whole mission in life should be to manifest sports cars or material things. We would hope that ultimately you want to use this also to create peace in every relationship that you have on the planet. To create peace in every interaction that you’re doing. That’s a tall order, but if you intend that much, at least you’re striving for that much. If you intend just a little, then you just strive for a little. So a combination.
And the funny thing, of course, is that as you strive to learn how to use this power of tapping into your natural energy to influence the manifestation of the physical world around you, you have to align to compassion, you have to find compassionate stories in your intellect. Otherwise it won’t work. You have to make a decision that if anxiety is calling you, you’ll stop and take that breath, wherever you are. You can breath, and of course, should, in line at the supermarket, at a friend’s house, at a movie. You can breathe and turn your focus inward and put this new perspective in place, have a new relationship to the energy that was formerly called an anxiety attack. You can turn it around to your own good.
That is revolutionary for the masses, and you, by helping us in experimenting, can also see what kind of power that conscious intention in that moment can have. Experiment. Ask for red sports cars. If in your heart of hearts you think that for the greatest good of who you are, even if it’s just to prove to yourself that you can manifest a red sports car, for whatever reason, if there is a passion in you to create something, put it in there in that moment and see what you can do.
And again, not an anxiety attack, but anger. Because here’s what happens. Your human mind starts talking a story. It’s very convincing. The part of you that’s perceiving, it’s like you’re watching a movie. I’m watching a movie of the blender across the way, you’re watching a movie of a drama with a family member or someone at work or standing in line at the supermarket. There’s a part of your mechanism that’s telling you the story of what you’re perceiving. Perception is not just what you think of it. Perception is the much bigger function of this greater you than what you think about it.
You watch what that story is. Be hypervigilant about how much you’ll get yourself sucked into that story that you’re telling yourself, because the perceiver is watching the movie. You go to a movie and hear the characters’ incredible story about what happened to them in their lives and you’re moved. That’s why you go. You want to become involved in the story. But in a movie theater, you know you’re just sitting in that chair. In your physical world, you’re the actor in the play. You’re in the movie as well, so it’s a little more difficult for you to step outside and get the part.
That is in fact what you are here for in this resurrection of your lives,. We are very, very excited. We want to encourage you all, right now, in this spring, to remember the process of spring. Underneath the miles of snow and ice, there is sleeping, the tree looks dead. It’s not dead, it’s sleeping. To that end we can’t stress enough the importance of your own sleep, the importance of your own rest and revitalization through winter. But as the ice recedes and the snows melt, something begins to push upwards from the center of the earth. The sun warms the surface, and the mysterious force of life impels life to return to the trees and the sap to start flowing, the leaves to start growing, and the branches to reach farther towards the sky for another season. In the full bloom of summertime, when that tree is at its most beautiful, glorious peak, there is a knowledge that the system will again begin to shut down. The leaves dry up and fall off and scatter over the earth, turn into the earth again. The snow comes, and all sleeps again.
And without fail, like clockwork, the snow recedes, the ice melts, and the spring begins to push up. Don’t miss a single step of this journey. Learn how to put yourself in the perspective of being a discoverer. Every day you have been given the miraculous opportunity to discover your life, your power, to gain more control over your thoughts and less control over your emotions, to make it a knee-jerk reaction when a big emotion comes up to breathe and move and breathe and move, particularly right now with relationships.
Because relationships are where all of this is playing out. Some of it is thing-related, yes. There are lessons to be learned about how to manifest physical things. But all of you will and always be challenged by the many, many types of relationships that you have in your lives. If you have an intimate relationship, you’re taking this mirror even further into experimentation. So having this discovery perspective when it comes to your close relationships will be one of the most fulfilling and enriching experiences of your life.
Any time that you can purposefully take a situation in your life that is conflicted and confused and go in with a new perspective, with a sense of discovery and a commitment to compassion, you can bring a space, a beautiful change into a situation where others may grind on ad infinitum. After all, look at humanity, still grinding away at killing one another.
You being this change at every single level also helps change the personal story of who you are, and you can accept and grow into the magic. Every day you can resurrect yourself to a brand-new day, and you can know that after this physical body passes away and you go to sleep for a little bit before you have another body, another tree—and by the way, you can be that tree over and over. You can also be yourself over and over, having different experiences. There’s so much to play with once your physical body is no longer taking all your energy to create the physical world. Then you really step back into a perspective that’s far more playful and free and delightful than what the personal story of your suffering human mind is going to tell you.
If there’s anything that we can do here today, it would be to bring you this remarkable inspiration that resurrection, this new springtime that’s coming to life is truly here, it’s pushing forward, and there’s nothing that will stop it. Spring can’t stop. It might be delayed a bit for some, but it won’t be stopped. It will push up and things will grow again. Always.
So look at your lives that way and get excited. Even the worst can be changed overnight into a new perception. That is where all of your power lies.
At this time we will open for questions and conversations.
Q1: Thanks so much. What’s been coming to me is a state of mind, having the perspective of discoverer has been so very helpful. This has been so inspiring, thank you. I’m also getting messages, speaking of the theme of resurrection, of eternal life, where we can stay in our bodies as long as we want and experience different dimensions using our bodies as a vehicle. Could you speak of that?
A: Certainly. There are two ways to look at eternal life. One is from the physical lens of the world, and the other is from the greater operating system. Obviously, the operating system is a self-contained unit. It’s the eternal life that regardless of if there’s even a planet earth, even if the whole incredible history of the billions of years that science has documented the planet earth existing, all of the different phases of dinosaurs, humans emerging, all of that, even without that, there is a human intention that will eventually find a new way to create the intention to bring humanity into physical form—humanity in this case being perceivers of a perceived reality, that is, separation, the idea that God created humans so God could experience self.
But also, in the smaller sense, the lens, the human mind, you are working on that as a part of moving through space and time. How it takes place is different than eating right, exercising, making sure your body’s healthy. That’s something that should be done just for the mechanism, of course, to prolong your life and to help with the change of the species. For example, when Edgar Cayce was channeling, bringing in higher energy, he burned out. The next evolution of that is Barbara, where there’s an integrative system of regeneration that will automatically prevent her from burning out on channeling.
Part of it is taking breaks from the channeling. Part of it is the expansion of her physical body in a time, in this process of four-dimensional life, that’s different than it was 50 or 60 years ago because of the evolution of human consciousness. So Barbara’s body can take more energy surging through it and not be tired and not get burned out. That’s an evolutionary thing that you’re doing.
Energetically, theoretically, if you had the ability to let go, for example, of Debbie in the lens, with all your drama and all your attachments, and live more in the greater you, there are areas that you tap into in the non-physical in the system that not only help extend that human life, but could tap you into a space-time reality in a DNA body that has already figured that out. We call it the future. Maybe after Debbie’s body passes away, the energy that is you decides to manifest in future life where you’ll be Debbie and you’ll bring that DNA body with you into that, and it’ll be a different space-time where culture has accepted that the body doesn’t die and in fact has discovered how Debbie in 2014 can step in and out of that particular lens.
So there you go. You don’t have to die, you just step in and out of that particular lens. There’s no simple answer, but does that give you some insight?
Q1: Yes, it does. I’m going to listen to it again. Is it that everything is possible and we’re just choosing from that unlimited potential to experience?
A: Well, yes and no. At a certain level. By the time you are cemented into your body, there are certain things that you don’t escape right now. You don’t escape your DNA space-time body. There’s a limitation. It’s not possible for you to be someone else. But in the source, the first initial compilation of your consciousness that’s surrounding all the mathematics of all the potential, certainly there’s a lot more potential at that level that could be experienced than by the time you get to be who you are in your space-time body in 2014. And that’s what’s confusing for your mind, because what does that mean, then, when you’re at that level of the process, where you’re in the compilation in the middle of earth with just the mathematics? You want to be Einstein, you want to be Barbara, you want to be Galileo, you want to be anyone. There is the redefinition of concurrent life and why, as far as reincarnation, you have the potential to experience everything it’s possible to experience as humans. So you have the potential to experience being Einstein.
It becomes a much more complicated system than just, can’t Debbie do anything? And yet, paradoxically, if you were to go deeply into the source and rearrange at that level, you’d be doing what the Toltec shapeshifters mastered. It’s not that it’s impossible, it’s just, what degree of personal self-discipline will it take any human at this time to get to that level of transformation?
Q1: I see. Thank you. Thank you so very much.
Q2: Thank you so much for that dissertation. Your answer to the first question brought up another question for me when you talked about the Toltecs and the shapeshifting. Did they do that from the lens, or did they find other ways to tap in in a different way down on the gravitational wave closer to the source?
A: They were trained in the lens to rearrange all of these things that we are suggesting to you. So even though back then the test didn’t consist of your mother-in-law and all of the dramas you have in today’s life, but a Toltec warrior was in the making—they weren’t born that way, they were trained in how to do this—one of the things that they were trained to do was, their egos were perpetually being frightened out of existence. Those for men who started out as boys, in training many things were revealed to them through perceptions that scared them to death, and then they were taught how to deal with that emotion. The Toltecs who were doing the training were—we’re going to say this and qualify it—the equivalent of Jesus, in that we’ve always said that Jesus was at a level of evolution where he just walked through a crowd and changed the energy because he was working at not just a deeply-connected-to-the-source level, but also at a predetermined evolutionary place in his thoughts, feelings, senses, intellect, emotion, and intuition. He was meant to be alive. And of course his 33-year lifetimes in the same body aligned him to be that, and he could influence just because of that.
They influenced how the trainees were seeing things, they could tap into that level, because their ego had been scared to death and gone for a long time, and they explored the non-physical, had a much different language to describe it than we would today. A lot of their training was done without language. So in a sense, yes, they understood the wholeness of who they were and that that little body that was a trainer was just a tiny little part of the whole that was going on and it sort of had to get out of its own way. Does that make sense?
Q2: Yeah, and I can see how what you’ve shown us today can be applied to even the regeneration and renewal of physical bodies as well. It’s like baby steps in getting to that point of shapeshifting.
A: Yes. And that is a form of shapeshifting. Say you have an illness or you’re overweight, and how you’re shifting your perception then changes the physical world. That is a form of shapeshifting that, if your perception is saying to you that you will never be what you think you should be, that’s your perception of yourself, which is probably, for years before you became self-aware, what the self-talk was. You shift that perception and suddenly your whole world shifts, and you’re changing the blender. If you listen back—when all of you listen back to this, because we’ve given you a lot of information, in layers, as always—about the shapeshifting, you see it implied through the talk, yes.
Q2: Thank you so much.
Q3: Thank you. I certainly agree with the others. What a wonderful dissertation. It raised many thoughts and inspirations. I’ll just focus on the one about movies. When you were talking about the difference between watching a movie and then being in your own movie, being part of the script, one of the actors in your own movie, how it’s harder to step out of it. I see a lot of great, good-quality movies made around the world at the local film fest, and I’ve always enjoyed what kind of self-awareness I can get from watching the characters going through their lives. I recommend one I just saw called Labor Day with Kate Winslet and Josh Brolin, a wonderful, slow-moving portrayal of different emotions, using flashbacks and moving forward into future self, potentials you don’t expect will come. In a matter of two hours of watching a movie you can go through a whole range of emotions and see how you would have been in that situation, where you identify or don’t identify with the characters. Afterwards there’s lots to ponder and apply to your own life. For me, that’s a great way, the whole projection idea, the whole scripting people into your life, it’s a great analogy for what we’re doing here.
A: Yes, and there are people who, for example, won’t go to certain movies because they evoke too much emotion. Some people don’t like horror films. Imagine the power of sitting in a theater, literally, watching what your human mind absolutely knows has been constructed, it’s fiction, there were many cameras and lighting people and they pieced it together, and now you’re in the movie theater and you know it’s just light coming out of a camera being projected, and yet it still evokes so much emotion. Think about that in terms of when now you’re also the actor.
Our message is that you are taking in so much information as humans right now that the resting of the brain, of the thoughts is key. And also, when you’re in the movie theater watching the scary movie, there’s a place within your perception that realizes that it’s just a movie. Very complicated.
Q3: Thank you very much. That’s a very great source of study and becoming aware but not staying stuck in the mind so much. Thank you.
A: And another part of all of this shapeshifting that we’re suggesting is that what you’re doing you’ve not been able to do before. There isn’t a roadmap. There are a lot of pieces of information that you will personally be drawn to, but this is about you building your own complete system. We give you the basics of how it works, but you design it to bring it into the lens. You design how you’re going to shapeshift, what shapeshifting means to you. You write the personal story of how magic works in your life. That’s another thing that challenges everyone’s authority. People are afraid sometimes to pick up their power. “I’m taking full responsibility.” No, you want, “That person did this to you.” Or “No, I can’t.” So you’re fighting against an inertia as well. It’s very exciting.
Q2: When you mentioned that Jesus was aligned to compassion, to the intuition, and how the magic and the force and the power all came once that alignment was in place, how does that relate to the weak nuclear force and the strong nuclear force? Is there a difference? Is it just using all of those things?
A: It would be using all of those things, so the weak nuclear force transforms water into wine, the strong nuclear force repels one of the apostles at the end. But to understand it, you look at it from the perspective of Jesus the man. When he looked at anyone, he saw himself. “These things that I do, you will do greater things.” He projected onto every person he met the truth of the great I Am. The I Am is the way, the truth, and the light, going within, taking responsibility for yourself. All of those things he could never say in those ways, but because of who he was, he projected the kingdom of God onto everyone.
And much like sometimes you may feel when you hear Einstein speak through Barbara that there’s a special magic in the air and a perspective that you don’t get unless you’re listening to this and you can take it away and pull it apart, in the same way, he was intoxicating. It’s why he was able to have so many people follow him in such a short time. It’s less of a conscious thing and more of a less-conscious thing. He wasn’t sitting there thinking, “I’m going to use the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force to turn this water into wine.” He was working fully from the source up and outward of manifestation, and the human mind was last sometimes.
And that’s a good story, too, turning the water into the wine, because his deep desire was not to have his mother be embarrassed for running out of wine at a wedding ceremony that she was hosting. That was his passion. And because he was so involved and the system was so complex already, the water turned to wine, and he was surprised. There are varying levels. That’s why we want to encourage you that the little things that don’t seem as if they’re part of it, the little pieces of being human that are so difficult for all of you, don’t be fooled into thinking that the movie is anything but a movie. Feel it, be in it, but while you’re in it, have that passion of human intention.
For the most part, as you explore those conflicted areas of your own life where it seems like, “Oh, my gosh, I’m so human,” you’re actually doing the very things that are getting you to that state of mind as we described it to you. We said this 20 years ago when we first appeared. The road to human evolution is through the resolution of conflict. You are learning how to take that conflict and turn it into wine.
Q4: The topic today is very much aligned with what I’m experiencing right now. Tapping into whatever you can tap into with me, what seems to have come about recently as strong passion for me is moving into greater self-empowerment in a broader context. Please share whatever you might be able to with me to enable me to do that more fully.
A: Yes, yes. This is a wonderful question for all of humanity. One of the things that you can do is be very aware wherever you find yourself as a victim. We want to define “victim” as attachment. This is something for you to play with in your thought process. If you’ve created everything, and that’s your story and you’re sticking to it, then you’ve just given yourself the power to uncreate everything and recreate everything.
We don’t encourage humans to stop being victims and stop being attached to circumstances in their life because it’s a good or bad thing. We encourage you because it truly puts you in the most powerful place, and then, like a CEO of a company, the buck stops there. By putting yourself in that place, you get to explore deeper parts of yourself when, for example, you come up against someone who really does victimize you, in the lens, in the drama, on the screen, someone’s being robbed or murdered, a perpetration is happening—that’s the movie.
To your human body and your human life, that’s very real. You have to deal with that. You’re on the front line. How will you deal with it? If you say, “I didn’t create this. I don’t believe it. Something else forced it upon me,” you’ve just lost your power. If you say, “I create everything, why would I create this?” and do what humans do, you’re led down first of all a path of emotion. And remember, you’re trying to capture all the feelings, because they’re carrying all that vital present-moment power of manifestation.
When you stop being the victim, you have to feel your feelings. You have to deal with the age-old question, “Why did I create this for myself?” We would suggest also that when you ask, “Show me. Can you show me how?” that’s a beautiful question. “Can you show me how I can be more empowered?” Your job is to quiet the mind, pay attention, and then be in present moment to see, and then you start to have an awareness, you go into a situation where there’s emotion going on, decisions that have to be made. You’re operating in that moment to the best of your ability, and then as the situation turns out, at every step you process ownership.
This is something that takes time for the human mind. Your ego has to reduce itself from its self-important stories. That’s one thing. Another thing is resting. We can’t say it often enough to all of us, but sometimes you in particular, rest that mind. Just rest it. Just stop thinking. Yes, it sounds easy, but if you have six tools that you’ve developed to stop thinking, then you can use them when you need to stop thinking. And when you stop thinking and continue to breathe, therefore moving emotion through, you’re creating a power system. It’s like tuning the engine. That’s empowering.
Finally, we’d say use as much compassionate self-talk as is humanly possible at every turn. Don’t be afraid to get into arguments with yourself when you find that self-talk is disparaging. “No, I’m not going to talk to myself in this way. You’re banished, those stories. Here’s the new one. I am a miracle just sitting in this chair.” Those are some ideas that could help.
Q4: Thank you very much for those suggestions. They’re wonderful, and I will definitely put them into action.
A: Wonderful. So much of what we want to do right now as our mission is to be inspiring to people, to move ahead regardless of what you’re facing with this new perception and expectation of miraculous undertakings. And part of what’s so exciting is seeing you grow into humans who have so much faith in yourselves that you can do this, that you are doing this, that you are the change. It’s so very exciting. We thank all of you for all of the things that you do. Know that there is a beautiful association with all of you—that’s why we call it the Party—that happens in the non-physical. You’re tapped into it. The more you rest your mind, the more you open up your intuition, you become playful and imaginative and you let these images flow and you begin to see and sense each other in the non-physical, communicating in the ways that you know, images, electricity, perception, premonitions, connections with the unseen. There are a lot of you out there around the world who’ve never met who feel connected to each other. This is such a beautiful time, and we are so, so very grateful for all of you, and we hope that you take advantage of your ability to tap into the non-physical as well.
We will at this time close the channel, again with great thanks in our heart. Know that we are excited. Despite anything that might be taking place in the lens at any given moment, the influence of this non-physical compassion is astounding right now. Never before on the planet have so many people been so committed and so aware of how being compassionate in their own personal lives can contribute to such a huge change. It’s as if the call went out, “Bring in those who are willing.” And that’s all of you. Know that you’re connected to millions of people around the planet who are working in tiny ways to change the whole. It’s a glorious sight for us, those of us especially who had physical bodies during times when the world was in great turbulence, when we had to face our own evil.
Being in the non-physical, able to influence, able to perceive, watching over your shoulders, taking in all of the exciting transformation that’s going on right now—we are so honored. We want to thank you so very much and encourage you to become discoverers. And what do discoverers do? They watch, and then they are amazed.
Voices: Wow! Wow! Thank you, Barbara!
Barbara: Thank all of you.
Voice: I am resurrected!
Barbara: I sure feel that way. That was really fun and exciting!
Voice: It was very good.
Barbara: And as I was saying earlier, this will be my first podcast. I’ll send you out a link. I’m going to try to get it up on Earth Day, on the 22nd. Thank you all so much for participating.
Voice: Thank you so much for making this opportunity. I want to wish everybody a happy Easter, happy resurrection day.
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