If I had to describe the State of the World today in one word, I’d say “insane”:
Exhibiting a severely disordered state of mind
From my seat on the bus, it looks like the collective Intellect of the planet has lost Its mind. No one knows what to think anymore. The shock of the transparency that’s sweeping the globe—everyone’s true nature coming out, including Mother Nature— creates a cognitive dissonance, leaving our minds fluctuating between numb and constant conflict. Nothing is predictable and anything can happen at any time.
Watching the news and looking at the state of the world can leave me hopeless, even terrified. Talk about the End Times. We’ve hit the survival level of needed change, so change is happening, whether we like it or not.
What are we to do in a world that seems so out of control?
I believe my part is to make peace in myself, and then make peace with the state of the world. Believe me, I do not say these words lightly. We’ve had two murders in my family. Making peace with those events forced me to deeply challenge my beliefs about the nature of life and death, my purpose, forgiveness, eternal life.
Finding peace with the world, just as it is, is a similar challenge. How do we make peace with an insane dictator, an idiotic president, a war machine, natural disasters, monster storms, or any of the other disparaging inequities and horrific conflicts happening all around us?
I believe we are here to be a part of creating an elegant transition: to use our own love to guide the next step in this evolution of human consciousness that started long before we were born and will carry on long after we are gone. We are here to become the change and be the love we are looking for and that the world so desperately needs.
We came here to change our own operating system from one of fear and conflict to one of love and unity. We are here to learn to make decisions for the good of all. Regardless of what is happening around us, we have been given power over ourselves—our thoughts, feelings, senses, and decisions. We have been given the choice to act in love, or not.
That is the good news! That no matter what anyone else does, we don’t have to allow it to sway us in how we act. No one can take our self-love away from us but us.
Einstein and the Party have a brilliant way of framing this that brings me great peace and hope. Please join us for our next live 2017 RE-Boot on Sunday, November 19 at 9 AM Central. I have no doubt they will have much to say on this subject. It’s sure to be uplifting and inspiring, a much-needed condition considering the state of the world right now.
Remember, when the plane is going down, put on your own oxygen mask first. Let’s get ourselves operating in love first and foremost, and then may we have the greatest influence possible on our local universe. And if anyone can give us some practical step-by-step instructions for how to self-love, it’s Einstein.
Welcome back to our 2017 RE-Boot Series! After an event-filled summer break of music, mayhem and a fall down the stairs, we’re back, reporting from Paris for #6. Looking forward to catching up and reconnecting with you and the Party. Hope you can join us. If not, watch for the download posting.
Good morning. It is Sunday, April 23rd, 2017. I am Barbara With. We are here with the Party. Partyof12.com is where you can find all things Einsteinian from beyond the grave, news from the Party of 12, and of course information about Conflict REVOLUTION, our imagined Einstein’s miraculous process for world peace, one person at a time, starting with you—or me. I’ll start with me, and you can start with you.
Today we are broadcasting from Denver, Colorado. I have several things I want to talk about before we get to our special guest today, my friend Leslie Stewart, a psychic channel and author of Trust and Allow the Process of Life, In-Joy! This is a book of knowledge that she has published from her talks with Orion, her collective voice of guidance. We’ll hear how she became a channel, and then I want to access her thoughts on some ideas about joy. I named this “The Politics of Joy,” because I myself am often a skeptic. When I get in my worst conditions, I am skeptical about joy, especially in these increasingly dangerous times. I think we can shed some light on how we can move through for our highest good.
I’ll also update about last month’s show. We had some very interesting revs, and I particularly have been having a wild ride through one that I named “Miscommunications and Assumptions.” As I predicted at the time, this revolution is going to be with me for a very long time. It’s quite similar to the revolution I had in 2002, where my sound bite was, “She is a liar,” which turned into “I am a liar,” which turned into sort of a mantra. We can so easily lie to ourselves, and we can so easily believe those lies. “Miscommunications and Assumptions” has already changed my life, and I’ll share about how I am making different decisions and how it is leading to very compassionate outcomes.
Earlier this week, Debbie sent me a link to a video of some old footage of Albert Einstein. It was so wonderful to see that video. (It’s posted on Partyof12.com.) We’ll listen to it, because I want you all to hear his voice. I don’t know what year they were recorded, but I encourage you to watch that video. I don’t know why it affected me, it’s not like I haven’t been channeling Einstein all these years, and I love Einstein, but when she sent that to me, what struck me so was his voice. The message is also important, but this is his voice:
“We should strive not to use violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in anything we believe is evil. We are concerned not merely with the technical problem of securing and maintaining peace, but also with the important tasks of education and enlightenment. Without such freedom, there would have been no Shakespeare, no Goethe, no Newton, no Faraday, no Pasteur, and no Lister. [Science has provided the possibility of liberation for human beings from hard labor.] When the ideas of humanity are war and conquest, those tools become as dangerous as a razor in the hands of a child of three. We must not condemn man’s inventiveness and patient conquest of the forces of nature because they are being used wrongly. The fate of humanity is entirely dependent upon its moral development.”
“The fate of humanity is entirely dependent upon its moral development.” I brought this forward today first of all because when I started channeling in 1987, the voice that came through me had a very heavy, very particular, peculiar accent. Try as I would, I could never duplicate it when I wasn’t channeling. In 1994, after hearing a woman on television speak with the same accent, I found out that she was [speaking in] Yiddish. So OK, there’s one more reveal of Einstein. But that was several years before he stepped out and identified himself, in 1998.
So hearing this voice the other day was like that old voice. Since then, all of you who have been listening to me channel will agree that the voice has changed, it’s very much a collective of different voices. My voice is sometimes stronger; it’s not quite the same. But I got nostalgic when I heard that. And more importantly, listening to his voice from the past and hearing the things he said back then gave me chills, because these ideas we are working with here with our imagined Einstein are certainly a continuation of his words in life, his mission in life. That video brought home that he’s still a visionary. The last time I had a book signing here in Denver, a young woman, perhaps 20, came up, and said, “I love Albert Einstein!” He is enduring through the ages. Yesterday someone said, “I heard that video on Facebook.” So he’s getting around on his own, and I’m happy, because there’s so much that we can bring forward to help with the fate of humanity and its moral development.
Before I get into talking about “Miscommunications and Assumptions,” I want to let you know that I have been sneaking off and being on the radio. I found a blog that allowed me to apply, so to speak, to be a guest on radio shows. It was quite an extensive application. They sent it out to the nine categories that I picked, and I immediately began to get invitations to be on radio shows. I have done three or four; some have aired, some have not. I’ll get my website up to date. The one that is the most curious that I want us as our little group to follow specifically is Mack Maloney’s Military X-Files. It’s not just Mack Maloney but also his two co-hosts Juan-Juan and Commander Cobra. They broadcast on military networks online. They just picked up the Inception Radio Network in the UK that reaches about half a million people—a big reach.
These guys are hilarious. Mack is a published author, with many futuristic science fiction-fantasy books about saving the world. He also has a book entitled UFOs During Wartime, which I downloaded and have been reading. I’m fascinated by the research that has been done on sightings of UFOs during wartime and why they come at wartime. (I’ll post links.) I’ve been binge-listening to get up to date, because they’ve asked me to be a regular guest on the show. I’ve been on twice so far. One of the things they’ve been talking about is that Juan-Juan and Commander Cobra apparently have some conflict, and they need some help. So I’m looking forward to seeing what can be done when I next am on the show about exploring their conflict. I secretly think their conflict is quite dramatic, for the radio, but it’s interesting to have a triad of men.
And they talk like girls. They do. Now, they’re all men, and they’re military guys, so they don’t want their identities to be revealed because they are still in the military. I am in a small quandary about ending up—I know it’s no accident that I ended up here, but here we are with the war makers. They’re lovely, wonderful people. But they are the ones who pull the triggers. So that will be an interesting conversation for the future as we move forward.
I want to give you an update about “Miscommunications and Assumptions.” If you remember, I had had a conflict—and it doesn’t even matter what all the details are—where my sound bite was, “She is not communicating well, and she is making assumptions.” So of course I revolved that around to “I make assumptions,” and I immediately set to work to see where I make assumptions. It was a daunting observation because the world is based on assumptions. Once I started watching myself, I learned two very important things: I make assumptions all of the time, and mostly they’re wrong.
I had my conflict and got my revolution and started watching in Charleston, and then I went to New Orleans to meet one of my dearest friends, an integrity activist. She’s just lovely. I know she sometimes gets a little dramatic, so I thought, “I’ll go to New Orleans, I’ll get my own room.” We met the first night, and it was wonderful. We hadn’t seen each other in several years. We went on the ghost tour. She’s a ghost tour operator. We planned our next day. Her boyfriend had to go in the hospital and get some day surgery, but after that she was going to take me to a graveyard.
I texted her in the morning, and I never heard back. She never returned any of my texts. I had decided that, well, you never know. My mind started to say, “Maybe she’s codependent. Maybe she’s avoiding me”—all assumptions. I decided that this was important enough to be some kind of demonstration that I was not going to make assumptions. I had a beautiful day. I had to get up early the next day to go to the airport. And I never heard from her. She never answered any of my texts.
I got to Corpus, and I thought, “I’ll try her on Facebook.” She told me she had called me and texted me several times and was so sorry we couldn’t connect. This began a very intense observation process of me not making assumptions, because clearly there were no calls on my phone.
I opened myself up to the universe and said, “Show me what’s really going on. I’m not going to assume one thing.” And as I went about my day, in a typical ConRev fashion, where we ask to universe to show us, I started to get images. One was of her and me standing in the street in New Orleans and me showing her a text I had texted to her last summer when her phone was stolen that said, “Do you know whose phone you stole? We’re a bunch of witches! We’re going to cast spells!”
In the discovery process, it came to me: did I block her? Her phone had been stolen, and I had just written that text. Sure enough, I had had her blocked since August! That was a huge hit on my part of all the assumptions I had made for six months about my friend who never calls me back, who never texts me, does she not like me any more? The next part was that I was having trouble getting hold of my friend in Charleston with whom I’d had the conflict with the original sound bite about assumptions. I had called her, left a message, I wanted to highlight her on the show, and I never heard back from her. She finally emailed me and said, “My friend never got her reading link.” I said, “I’ve been calling her.” I gave her the number I called, and there was her voice, but it was a different number. It was confusing.
I assumed—I assumed!—that I had been hacked. I scrubbed my phone, and when I restored it, there were six months of messages from my friend in New Orleans. Six months! Text, messages! Every month, October, November, December. I was at Standing Rock. She was calling. I never returned her calls. What must she have assumed?
The moral of the story is to really pay attention to the assumptions we make. When we go into thinking, “I’m not going to have any assumptions, I’m just going to let the universe show me what the answer is before I confirm it,” you know when the truth is there. There was the truth. I had blocked her for months! A very powerful rev that will be with me forever. Now I say, “I’m pretty sure that—” “Oh! Am I making an assumption?” And it’s really changing my life. It’s changing how I respond to people. You know how you get when you assume that someone doesn’t like you, you get a little edgy? It’s reducing all of that and making my relationships and working through other conflicts I have much easier. It’s so much easier to get to the outcome that’s for the good of all.
So be careful what you assume!
To introduce Leslie, I want to tell you one more story.
I heard it on This American Life, called “In Defense of Ignorance.” If you know This American Life, you know that they take a topic and expand upon it in three or four acts with different substories. The substory was that the reporter, Lulu Wang, of Chinese descent, had found out that her 80-year-old grandmother, who lives in China, was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Apparently she only had three months to live. Lulu’s great-aunt, who lived below her grandmother and took care of her, made the decision not to tell Grandma the diagnosis. Lula was very upset with this. She felt like this was deception and that people should know and should be told so that they could get their affairs in order. But the great-aunt was very clear. “We are not telling her.” No one in the family was allowed to tell her.
They decided to hold a party for the whole huge extended family, to come to China and see Grandma Neenee for the last time. Neeneee’s first-born son had just gotten married in Japan. He had been planning to come to China in a year and have a big party to celebrate his marriage, so he moved that up a year. That was the excuse that they were giving for keeping this from Neenee. And not just keeping it, but the whole family’s coming, and they have to pretend that she doesn’t have only three months to live and that this is really a happy party to celebrate her son’s marriage.
Lulu flies over to the party. (You can listen to the whole episode.( It’s truly fascinating how the family dealt with having to be at this party pretending to be happy looking at Mom or Grandma and knowing she was going to pass away in just a few months.
The long and the short of it was, the Chinese have a belief called “chongxi,” meaning “to rinse out joy,” the belief that you can wash away pain and suffering with joy. During the course of this trip, Lulu discovers that Neenee had had a mastectomy and had been wearing a prosthetic breast, and she never told anybody, because she didn’t want to burden them with the worry. That was the whole idea behind the lie they were telling her: that they weren’t going to burden her, especially if she was sick, with the worry. If it was to happen, it would. To give away the end of the story, Neenee’s still alive, three years later. Apparently at her last checkup, she got the same diagnosis, and her sister, Lulu’s great-aunt, decided to tell her that had she lost the findings, but they were the same as last time.
I’m glad we have a doctor in the audience, because my philosophy has always been that if you don’t tell me that I’m sick and then define what will happen, I have a better chance of manifesting a different outcome. Hearing this story was enlightening. It was all about the idea of “chongxi,” that joy can wash away misfortune.
This is probably a good time to introduce my friend Leslie Stewart, who is in Ohio today. We’ll talk about her book, which I had the honor of helping her with. Good morning, Leslie! Welcome to our show!
Leslie: Good morning, Barbara, how are you?
Barbara: I’m excellent.
Leslie: I love the story you just spoke of. In many ways, that’s how I’ve lived my life, through what some people would say is ignoring diagnosis, ignoring the outcome of something that could be tragic. I reframe it, put it in my framework where I believe that what is best for myself is looking at things in a positive manner. If someone gives me a diagnosis of something, I process it and I let it go through me, and then I say, “But this doesn’t have to own me.” I’m putting ownership and responsibility on myself as to how I see myself processing all of it.
Barbara: That is so insightful. I have to say that when I was working on your book with you, I was getting a little frustrated because I’ve been working on conflict, and it’s almost the opposite, where when you have to go into a conflict you don’t want to be ignorant of certain things. But from what I see in your writing and from listening to your channeling from the website and reading your Facebook posts, you are always very positive. Orion always seems to be in joy. I’m so enamored of that.
0:22:38.1 Leslie: Yes. Orion teaches that above and beyond all else, always be true to yourself. If you’re being true to yourself, no matter what that is, whatever is true for you, make that your M.O. If I’m being true to myself and being positive is being true to myself, then so be it. If you’re one who is involved with other things outside of self, whether it be politics, medicine, whatever it is, being true to yourself in that realm of your experience is what’s important. And it doesn’t matter to me or to anyone else how you deal with it as long as you feel that it is coming from your heart space, from who you believe to be you. That is the message that Orion’s always giving out. Be true to yourself. However you come into that, own it and be it.
Barbara: That would answer the next question I had! (laughs) You must be psychic! Lately, I would say since we’ve been doing this Re-boot, I have experienced more real joy than I’ve had maybe ever. There are some days when I am so happy, it’s like I’m ADHD with happiness. It’s not because of an external circumstance, because there certainly still are all the external circumstances that are threatening the world that Einstein is concerned about. But like you said, it comes because I am being true to myself. I didn’t frame it that way, but it was about being so darn happy because I am true to myself. I live a life in which I strive to be. It changes your relationship to everything, good or bad, that’s happening outside of you.
Leslie: It really does. Oftentimes I can find myself getting caught up in what’s happening on the outside. Then I have to bring myself back into that space and ask, “What do I want here? I am reacting to something outside of myself. How will I deal with this?” I can either get into being wrapped up and caught up in all of that negativity outside of myself, or I can bring myself back into that space where I believe I can find the truth within me, the truth of reconnection, however I want to reconnect, to that which gives me joy.
0:26:17.8 Leslie: Oftentimes I’ll find myself reconnecting with nature, because nature always brings me back into a space of joy, whether it be taking a beautiful walk and enjoying the beautiful blooms and the trees and the flowers, listening to water lap up against a shore—whatever it is that can bring me back into that place where I can find peace and joy. That’s where I go. Then I cannot allow all of the stuff going on outside of myself to interfere with that joyful place. Sometimes it does take practice to get there.
Barbara: How would you define “joy”?
Leslie: Being at peace with wherever you are and whatever gets you that joy, whatever gives you happiness, whatever gives you that peace or tranquility. It’s an individual thing. Everyone has their own concept and belief about what joy is. For me, it’s a place where I find complete and utter elation, ecstasy, bliss. That’s what it is for me.
Barbara: Do you ever experience what I would metaphorically call “survivor’s guilt”? Not you personally as much as the question I have about being joyful. In the activist community, in which I was very, very engaged for several years, we had a saying. We were running ourselves ragged, making ourselves sick, trying to fight the rise of fascism within our government. It was exhausting and depleting and depressing. None of us got much sleep. The saying was, “Sleep is for those with rights.” I am still a bit conflicted. I have not found a place completely where I can say, “Oh, yes, I’m so happy to be finding my bliss,” as I know that other people are suffering.
0:28:58.9 Leslie: I understand what you’re talking about, because I am very empathetic as well as far as what’s going on in the world, all the things that most people call injustices. But the more that you find that you’re pushing against something, the more you’re saying, “This is not right, I have to fight,” it’ll just make it bigger and bigger rather than stepping away from it and saying, “It’s going to work out. It really is going to unfold.” Those who are interested in the fight, in bringing justice to the forefront, and I do applaud those who are doing what they believe is being true to themselves, for myself, I find that if I’m pushing against something, it puts you into a place where you’re not feeling very good about you or anything around you or what’s going on in the world. It all seems to unfair.
Leslie: How do I, a person living here on the planet who sees all this going on, accept that I don’t have to be a part of that which is fighting, but I can be the one who is being peace, living peace, trusting that if I live and breathe and know in my heart of hearts that if I feel that peace is the answer, if joy is the answer, if being happy, being full of all of those things that I know are at the core of each and every person on the planet, that if I can see that every person really is wanting to be in touch with that place of joy, with that place of peace, however they can come to terms with that and feel it and know that it is truly at the core of their being, that how ever they want to participate with life, it is their choice?
0:31:35.3 Leslie: For me, when I find myself getting caught up in any sort of politics or anything that I believe is an injustice, it depletes my energy and makes me feel alone and lost and angry. Those are things that I don’t want to allow into my being because I want to feel alive and happy. If I’m doing that, if I’m being true to myself, I have to reframe those things that I feel are injustices and know that in each individual at the core of the self, there is indeed that place of peace. So I have to say to myself, “To be peaceful I must live peace. To be joyful, I must live joy.” And so on.
Barbara: So you’re saying that it’s almost our duty—again metaphorically—if we want to influence the rest of the world, saying, the bombing in Syria, which was heartbreaking, and bombing anywhere breaks my heart, even though I have high metaphysical ideals, it’s hard for me to think, “Those people are choosing to have their children killed by chemical weapons.” But like you said, the bigger challenge of what my belief system is on a bigger scale means that it’s almost my duty to be that peace, to hold that peaceful space, to not buy into as horrible as I’m sure that experience is so that they can maybe have a chance that supports them spiritually or energetically much more than if I get into the fray and I’m judging. It doesn’t mean I can’t feel their pain or have empathy for them, but it’s much more powerful if we can stay in our peace and in our joy and hold that space and make our energetic space that way. That makes sense to me.
0:34:07.1 Barbara: I have a question I’m asking for my sister who isn’t here and didn’t ask me to ask it, but I wonder about—she lost her only son and only child to a brutal murder. I have been with her helping and we’ve been talking to him from beyond the grave and she’s been rebuilding her life. That was in 2012, so it’s been five years. Through that time she has questioned, “How do you find joy and happiness and meaning in life when something so terribly tragic takes place?”
Leslie: Indeed. And she through you she already knows that he is with her and he is now being more at peace than what he was when he was living on the earth plane. He is now more being peace and enjoying peace. There was a part of him that had a lot of confusion with life. He was a happy-go-lucky guy, but there was still some confusion as to how he wanted to participate in changing the world, changing his own reality. To change his reality, he did change it in a drastic way, and it brought a lot of attention to his being. In bringing that attention to who he is and who he continues to be now is much different than where he was before. Now he is a pioneer in a way of how he brought about lots of change within the whole family dynamic, people talking more, having open conversation about people being murdered, about the crimes.
0:36:31.8 Leslie: It brought a lot of attention also in a positive way where people can see that even through his experience of bring that attention and that spotlight on how he lived his life, it is indeed changing people along his path, even still, even now. There is lots more openness and communication than there was before. He is bringing lots of wonderful things to the forefront through that experience.
Barbara: It’s very, very true. Our entire family dynamic changed greatly to be much more loving and compassionate—not that we still don’t, we four sisters, have our squabbles. She has changed and is still changing. Again, it seems to get back to, it challenges our belief system of life, which is maybe why she was telling me a while back that she’s searching for the meaning of life. I kept thinking, isn’t it what we make it? Isn’t it what—we get to decide what our life means, so that’s very true. I’m excited about moving forward with hopefully more healing.
Barbara: In your book, you cover a lot of different topics. Tell us how you came to be a psychic channel.
Leslie: I remember at a very early age having very extreme dreams. Oftentimes I would wake up and wonder, “Who were the people in that dream? Why was it so intense? How does it affect who I am right now?” That started me on this search of reincarnation and Ruth Montgomery and Edgar Cayce. It snowballed from there. It opened up many doors and many things that felt that they were true to me. As I was doing my self-discovery work, I was sitting in a beautiful little hotel in Cocoa Beach, Florida, near the Cape, and Ken, my spiritual partner, and I were reading Ask and It Is Given by Esther Hicks. She translates for Abraham. Ken asked me, “What would you like to do? What is it you see yourself doing?” I said, “I really would enjoy getting this message out to more people, by allowing myself to translate for a collective consciousness.”
Leslie: Being near the Cape, I launched my own rocket of desire that day, in 2005. I started meditating and journaling more frequently. I got automatic writing, and in that writing, as we all know, we need labels for things, so I asked them, “Who am I speaking to?” They said to me, “We are Orion.” I really didn’t know anything about Orion except that it was a beautiful constellation and I always enjoyed looking at the constellations as a young child. They said they were Orion. Over time, I felt such peace. When they’re with me, as they are right now, they are always giving me love and peace. Whenever anyone has any sort of reading or a session with Orion, when they walk away, they always say, “They exude love and peace.” That, I think, is a part of who Leslie is, and Leslie and Orion are interconnected, of course, as everyone is interconnected with their soul selves.
0:41:33.5 Leslie: Everyone has the potential to connect and have that intuitive ability. It’s just a matter of paying attention, listening to your inner guidance, that intuition that is always with you. A lot of times we just poo-poo it. We say, “I’m not sure why I’m thinking this or why I should do this, but what the hell? I’m just going to do it.” I go with it. That’s paying attention. Oftentimes you’ll find yourself synchronized with things that you are thinking about and want an answer to, and suddenly it seemingly just appears, but it’s you being guided by your own intuition. I think everyone has that potential and the ability to do that.
Barbara: Do you find your channeling to be more seamless consciousness than trance channel? I feel like they’ve been talking through you all morning.
Leslie: They have, yes.
Barbara: (laughs) Not to call them out on their shenanigans, but there they are. As you were describing them, I’m seeing a circle of souls gathered around, and I literally saw stars in a circle, as if the heavens had come down to create this circle with stars and that love emanating from it. It’s a very peaceful, loving, supportive energy that you bring.
0:43:33.9 Barbara: Because you’ve been channeling in giving us these answers, could we ask Orion—the question I’d like to ask is, of course, global. You may have answered it. When Einstein was on his deathbed, he and Bertrand Russell were working on their last manifesto. It was all about a plea for nations to find new ways to resolve their conflicts other than fighting. I believe this work of mine, of ours, has sprung from that. As I look at days going by and North Korea threatening with thermonuclear war and crazy Donald Trump—and believe me, I don’t blame him, because this is a system of war that has been ingrained probably since this civilization has come forward—as we look forward, can they give us some advice about how to approach these very real possibilities?
Leslie: It is a difficult situation for most people to get a handle on how we can deal with all of the warmongering that is going on throughout the planet. How do I as an individual become more inner-directed and stay in a place where I believe that I live in a safe universe? If I’m believing that I’m living in a safe universe, that in my reality, in my realm of understanding of my reality, how do I express and live in a place where I can continue to live in peace and joy and harmony? That again comes down to living it, being it, trusting that as I live my life with those beliefs, if I can live the life of peace and harmony and continue with spreading that to each individual at a time, whether it be just being in a store, smiling at someone, having a short conversation with someone, that person then goes to another person, they’re in a better place, feeling a little bit better about themselves, feeling a little kick in their heart, feeling that, “Life isn’t so bad. Life isn’t horrible.” That continues to snowball like the ripples in a pond. As you throw a stone into the pond, the ripples continue to grow and expand. So do love, joy, happiness. It has to start with each individual.
0:47:01.2 Leslie: If I’m going to live my life that way, I must believe that me being here on the planet at this time must mean something. If that means something to me, what do I want it to mean to me? What we want to share with everyone is that it starts with the individual. As it starts with the individual, it continues to grow and expand. It influences the world as a whole. The more of you who are with this teaching, with this belief that I as a human being on the planet right now, living my life, how do I want to live it? How do I want to express myself as this being right now?
Leslie: Being here, right now, all of you listening in as well, how do you want to express yourselves? How do you want to live your life? In fear? In a place where you’re allowing outside circumstances to interfere with your peace of mind? You can do that, if that gets you what makes you feel good. But we believe that there are more of you out there who want to see the world as coming together as a world that believes in diversity, that believes that there is indeed a powerful place where we can all join our hands and circle around and know that as we continue to grow and expand with our love and the acceptance of all, it does indeed conquer those things that feel like they are invading our peace.
Leslie: So rather than pushing and fighting, we see that it’s our expression and our wanting for all of you to be the best that you can be and to allow yourselves to continue with expressing and enjoying one another and enjoying each and every individual as an individual and knowing that in that individuality there are differences, and that is what makes the world go around. It’s all of everyone being an individual and allowing them to have their individuality and to not fight and to not argue, but to be understanding and really wanting to understand how other individuals see their lives, and to allow them to live it the way they want to. It doesn’t mean it has to interfere with the well-being of yourself.
0:50:23.1 Barbara: As you were talking, Orion, much like my nephew’s murder, I would not wish that kind of suffering on any human. I would not wish the suffering of North Korea dropping an atomic bomb on anyone. However, because it did happen, because he was murdered, as you so accurately described, love came from it. We could be—and I don’t speak for my sister, but anyone in that situation could be very resentful for the rest of one’s life for having your child taken from you. Is it possible that that’s similar to the macrocosm of all of these terrifying threats and possibilities that are pushing us more into understanding how important it is to love one another?
Leslie: Yes, indeed. That is why it is happening right now on the planet: for everyone to get that there are differences and there are many things that are going on outside of yourself that seem to be troubling and disturbing. But it doesn’t have to interfere with my own well-being. How do I continue with loving and living life when all of this destruction and war and hatred go on outside of myself? That is, again, bringing yourself back into, “What do I want? How do I want to see my reality? What is my pool looking like, my ripples of my life? How are they spreading out? What do I see those ripples? Where do I see those ripples going?” As you see the ripples of your life spreading forward, how do you want that to be? Love, self-acceptance, nurturing of self. There are so many people who are in need of nurturing, of self-nurturing, self-love, and nurturing each other. It is something that has been missing from quite some time in many people’s lives. Now more than ever, it’s important for you all to be more understanding and more nurturing and loving.
0:53:22.5 Barbara: Yes. I’m getting inspired by this conversation, because having been through deep activism and giving up my life for this resistance of a cause and then stepping back into this new service, for me, not that my channeling or my work is new, but I realized that what we’re doing, you and I and all of us who are practicing Conflict REVOLUTION and Cassandra bringing these ideas into her practice as a doctor and Debbie bringing them to the children, that these ripples you’re talking about extend very far. I thank you for those answers, because it reaffirms and says in a new way to me that we can only do so much in a day. I don’t mean to limit our energy, but it’s true. I can’t stop what happens in North Korea by going directly at it. I couldn’t stop what was happening in the Wisconsin legislature by going directly at it. Once I backed off and started to do all those things that you were talking about—self-nurturing, self-love, detaching from the struggle—then things started to manifest differently, in individuals coming together, not institutions.
Barbara: So while we couldn’t, for example, stop the mining bill, we could inspire thousands and thousands of people who live in our area to start to stand up and voice and make a difference and stand up for the water. It was quite a learning experience. I’m very grateful for you coming this morning and sharing your talents and your gifts and this information. I’m jazzed now to get out in the day! I’m going to go to the grocery store and be nice to people! (laughs) It sounds so silly, but it’s so fulfilling, to be kind and gentle.
Leslie: And thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure to be with you. We look forward to meeting up with you in the grocery store today.
Barbara: (laughs) And I’m excited, because I’ve asked your spiritual partner Ken to come on next month and talk about the blessings of autism and Alzheimer’s, the gifts, his book, and explore how your work and mine interface with people who are dealing with these kinds of amazing conditions in their physical bodies. But before we go, hold on, I see Debbie has a question.
Debbie: I don’t have a question, I just wanted to reiterate how inspirational and freeing you’ve been. Thank you for sharing your message so beautifully of being peace, being what we want to see outside of ourselves. That’s a huge message for us to have in our hearts. I want to thank you. And thank you, Barbara, you, too, are always an inspiration.
Barbara: Oh, thank you, Debbie, you, too! Debbie has worked very hard on Conflict REVOLUTION and was in fact a coach to me through some of my hardest times. I’m always grateful to see you here. Everyone else, thank you so much. We will be posting this on the website within the week and sharing it with you. So please have a nice day. And all you’ll have to do is watch and be amazed. Namaste.
Join us as we welcome author and psychic Leslie Stewart, who channels the collective known as Orion. We will be talking about her book, Trust and Allow the Process of Life, In-Joy and exploring the nature of joy, free will, and how to get out of the way and trust the flow.
Orion is a non-physical collective consciousness that speaks through Leslie. Instead of focusing on predictions, Orion instructs us on how we can create the life of our choice. Although Orion can provide us with future probabilities, they also give us insight on how our current beliefs and feelings have attracted past events.
And more importantly, Orion provides us with tools and inspiration that enable clients to transform their consciousness. By assisting us in understanding the law of attraction, they help us to raise our vibration—thus allowing us to attract more favorable events and experiences into our lives. Their tutelage can help to enhance our awareness and growth, and assist us in understanding the multidimensional beings that we are and reclaiming our authentic power.
Barbara: Good morning. It’s Sunday, March 26, 2017. I am Barbara With. You are here with me and the Party of 12. Partyof12.com is where you can find all things Einsteinian from beyond the grave, news from the Party of 12, and of course information about Conflict REVOLUTION, our imagined Einstein’s miraculous process for world peace, one person at a time, starting with you—or me. I’ll start with me, you start with you.
My mission this year with my 12-part 2017 Re-Boot Series is to visit places where Einstein’s path, that we’ve channeled and researched and experimented with for the past decades, crosses paths with other knowledge and other bodies of knowledge. To that end, I was prepared to have a wonderful woman on the show today, Leslie Stewart, an author and a channel who wrote a book entitled Trust and Allow the Process of Life In-Joy! I was looking forward to doing today’s show on joy.
But something came up that prompted me to move her appearance to the April show. I did a few coaching sessions and had a conflict of my own that inspired me to devote this today’s show to presenting Conflict REVOLUTION 101, the most basic way to teach Conflict REVOLUTION, step-by-step instructions aimed at absolute beginners—people who have never heard this information before. Even though I have geared it for beginners, this will also help out the rest of us who have been doing this process ad infinitum, some of us literally for decades. It will help us to remember the power of being a perpetual beginner. Sometimes when we’re lost in overwhelming, uncomfortable feelings and our thoughts are out of control, one way to make the shift back into control of your own domain and to start the revolution is to go back to square one, to start at the beginning, review what you know, and take baby steps as if you’re a beginner.
My challenge with this is that the unified field theory and the maps of human consciousness that I have presented over these past decades represent an enormously complex system. It works sequentially. Describing how matter is made manifest one step at a time from nothing into everything is a very big undertaking. I’m so close to it that I don’t trust myself to know what’s necessary and what’s not, because I’ll always go deep. It’s my nature. It all seems necessary to me.
I called up two of my certified coaches, Cathy Kline in Columbus, Ohio, and Robin Cordova, on Bainbridge Island in Washington state, to help me craft a simple vision. They’ll be joining us in a while to share some of their own Conflict REVOLUTION stories. I asked them each two things. First: “What is the simplest way to explain Conflict REVOLUTION? What are the bare, minimal elements of the whole huge unified field theory and the maps of human consciousness that are needed in order to show someone how to do it effectively?” Second: “How do we as trainers inspire you who are learning it, when you are in those moments and the bad emotions are surging and your thoughts are out of control, to take a different step and make a different decision that will move you toward your revolution?” Because those moments of overwhelming emotion and out-of-control thoughts are the place where we do the work of Conflict REVOLUTION.
ConRev is all about catching yourself in the act of making a decision that is not good for you. It’s about doing something different in that moment. When we change our energy that deeply, we are helping to change the way our entire system operates. The more we make conscious decisions in those moments, the more we’re working for the good of the whole, first of all for us and then for the entire situation. Each time it becomes easier in those conflicted moments to not only decide to make a different choice to do something else, but then to do it. That’s what it’s all about.
After my discussion with Cathy and Robin, we concluded that the bottom line was, “Give them step-by-step instructions that are simple and easy to understand and then teach through example.” The best way I can inspire anyone to do Conflict REVOLUTION is to do it myself, get the miraculous results, and then share that with people who need inspiration. Because the truth is, in that moment you are the only one who can make that decision. I can’t get into your head and make you think different things. I can’t force you to breathe emotion through your body. Only you can make that decision in that moment, and those are the hardest moments in which to make them.
So much of our culture and the way that people have traditionally resolved conflict is sitting down with the person and saying, “We need to talk through our issues.” Sometimes that works, for a while. But it doesn’t get very deep. The object of Conflict REVOLUTION is helping each individual find peace within the self, and in doing that, to contribute on a global level to the collective consciousness of peace as well.
I have several conflicts, the original conflicts that excited me and made me want to do this. Something happened a few days ago with Cathy where she was in that state of overwhelming emotion and runaway thoughts. We did a revolution, and it was so remarkable that I decided to revamp the conflict I’m going to bring—although there are so many good ones to share—and I want to ask those of you who are listening, whether it’s live or after the fact, to bring a conflict of your own to this session. It doesn’t have to be any particular conflict. You can learn Conflict REVOLUTION using any conflict you want, but I like to advise people to bring one that entails another human being, because it’s a lot easier to look in the mirror of another human being and see yourself than it is to look in the mirror of, say, war or financial crisis. It’s not impossible. I have done every kind of conflict under the sun. But if you use somebody who’s in your life, it’ll give you a better opportunity to see yourself.
Get a pad and paper. You’ll be writing things down. You can work your conflict along with us. At the end, you’ll have your own action plan, something that tomorrow morning before you get out of bed you can have right there by your bedside. You can start your day with a prayer of gratitude—“Thank you for another amazing, miraculous day of life. I fully intend—” set your intention—“to watch myself today,” and here’s your action plan of what you will do, the decisions you will make. Also name your conflict. That is the beginning of creating what we call sound bites. Sound bites are essential because your imagination and your intellect and your reasoning can talk to you ad nauseam about whatever you’re obsessed over in a conflict. You can go on and on in your head. We all have done it. When we start to develop sound bites, we’re paring down meanings, getting to a simpler place. Naming it is an important piece. Every conflict for me is a case study. I can say, “Ah, the Headache Project!” or “I’m a Liar!” and I know the whole conflict. So name your conflict.
We’re going to start with step-by-step instructions. Based upon my conversations with Robin and Cathy, this is what we have come up with as the simplest way to understand Conflict REVOLUTION. The first piece is that this is one-sided work. This is not conflict resolution, where you sit down and make sure you have good sentence structure and tone and you look in people’s eyes and try to resolve something. It’s not that. This is one-sided work. In fact, the ground rule is: your domain is your responsibility. It is not your responsibility to take care of somebody else’s conflict, and someone else is not responsible for taking care of your conflict. Your domain is your responsibility.
The values that we use when we’re doing this one-sided work are:
To be nonjudgmental. Remember, this is a science experiment. It’s not a priest telling you you’re bad or good.
To have passion. In this life we have to train ourselves that we not only have the right to feel all of our feelings, but we have the responsibility to feel all of the emotion that is flowing through us. That’s what passion is. We’ll find out as we go forward that emotion is the creative juice of the manifestation of everything physical. But to us personally, it is our life force. It’s the first dimension in the building block of who we are.
To have creativity. Remember, this is a creative process, so we’re looking outside the box, we’re pushing ourselves to think in new ways, we’re canoodling with metaphors that will reveal themselves to us.
To have humor. If you can’t laugh at yourself, we will. You are free to laugh at me, because humor is so important in getting us out of a stuck place.
So when you find yourself being judgmental, shift over to a nonjudgmental point of view. One way to do that is, if you’re judging something to be bad, purposefully find the good in it. Or if you’re clinging to something that’s good, purposefully find the bad in it. Then you have the whole picture and you’re nonjudgmental. When you’re lacking passion, get in touch with emotion. That’ll get those juices flowing again. When you’re stuck, reach for your creativity.
This is the basic description that we’ll work with of who you are, the picture we’ll be painting. You have three human dimensions that work together to create your ability to have a human experience in the physical world. Think of it as a wave that starts at your feet, flows up through your body, all the way through the top of your head, and when it comes out there, it goes around again and starts again at your feet. There’s the flow of your life force. It’s like a string. The three human dimensions are Emotion, located in your solar plexus, Intuition, located in your heart or your chest area, and Intellect, located in your head.
Now you have three separate places that we’ll also begin to associate with those things so we can begin to separate those three human dimensions from one another. Because we have all been operating as if it’s just one big crazy mass of energy, and it’s hard to tell what Intellect is, what Emotion is. We’re thinking about a feeling, we’re thinking about a conflict, and we think we’re feeling it. There is some Emotion in there, there always is, but this will help us separate them and understand their roles clearly.
The last piece of this puzzle is what we call the Witness. That is the part of you that has the ability to step back and watch your Emotion, Intuition, and Intellect, to observe those three human dimensions. Maybe you’d call that the observer of self. Maybe you’re looking at your human self from your soul self. Maybe it might feel like dissociation. That Witness will help facilitate making decisions in those conflicted moments.
Very basically, Emotion, or feelings, in the solar plexus is not just what we typically think of as emotions—sadness, happiness, joy, anger. In my new book Einstein et al., there are two pages in nine-point type on Emotion. There’s a huge range of Emotion. We’ve been taught to only feel the good ones, and even that—I was never taught how to do that effectively. But in Conflict REVOLUTION we’ll learn how to feel the entire range of feelings. That’s a way to get the flow moving. We want to have a circular flow of our string constantly moving through us like water. Emotion is the fuel, the primordial soup, as it were, of energy that’s the beginning step of the creation of the physical world through our bodies, our perception of it. At that level there’s no thinking, no reasoning, no reasons why you feel this way, there’s nothing to do about it. There’s just pure, unadulterated Emotion.
As that flow moves up into the heart, where Intuition is situated, we have Emotion now becoming a voice. Our emotions guide us, and Intuition becomes the voice of what we call Compassion. In Conflict REVOLUTION, Compassion is the fifth fundamental force of the universe, the intelligence within us that is impelling the creation of the physical world—the garden, the earth—one step at a time, starting with zero and sequentially walking into the infinity of the universe. Compassion, among other things, impels us to work for the good of the whole system. You might call it God, Goddess, the universe. It is the life force that at its root is programmed to take care of all parts of the entire system, creating all parts of it.
Within you, the voice of Intuition is telling you the next step to take, the next decision to make that will be good for the whole situation that you’re in at that moment. It’s important to redefine Intuition here as something that first of all, everyone has as part of their functioning system, and secondly, is meant to tell you what to do in present moment. It’s always sending you signals: “Beat, heart. Breathe,” those kinds of subliminal impelling. It’s always telling you the next thing you can do that will be best for the whole situation. Making decisions for the good of the whole, that’s Compassion. You take care of yourself first and you look outside and see everything else that’s needed and you make a decision to the best of your ability that will benefit the whole situation. That’s what we’re looking for here.
It starts with the three human dimensions. When we understand how they all work together and we begin by taking care of ourselves, we come back to the physical world whole, aligned to Compassion, ready to be a peacemaker, ready to contribute to world peace, not just working from our ego or what we think should be intellectually.
You’ve got Emotion that flows up into your chest area and becomes Intuition, and it’s impelling you to take a step. When it flows up into the Intellect, that’s where all of the descriptions of the physical world lie. So within you you have Emotion that will be the chair. As it flows up into your heart and your Intuition says to that part of you, “Go be a chair,” and it gets into your Intellect, there’s a description. It starts out, “I am a green chair sitting in the corner in Wisconsin in 2017.” But then it flips, like the lens of an eye or a revolution, to, “That is a chair in the corner.” That is a very basic explanation of how these three dimensions work. All of this is projected through and perceived by your body. Even though the chair is in the corner over there, it begins within you.
What happens in the Intellect, however, is that imagination comes in, rationalization, patterns of thinking you don’t even know you have that were drilled into you as a child, as a baby, even. And for those of you who believe in past lives, sometimes we have thoughts, feelings, senses, memories, and energies of past lives coming through us, infiltrating our thinking process. So when you are triggered by a negative emotion, you also trigger degenerative thoughts that wed to that emotion, and that becomes a reality.
I was working with a woman the other day who was saying, “I’m so mad because S. will never, ever, ever stay one minute longer for her shift to help out. She just won’t do it.” I said, “Did you ask her?” “Well, no.” “Why don’t you?” So she called her. “Oh, yes, I’d be happy to!” How long would that woman have walked around with an angry emotion married to the thought that S. never does anything? How does that affect her relation with S.?
Our job here is to keep all emotions flowing, listen to the intuitive impelling, and then Intellect, instead of rationalizing and projecting and getting all clogged up with imagination, is meant to hear that impelling of Intuition and make the decision to take action to fulfill the intuitive impelling. Because here’s the catch: free will operates in the intellectual arena. You don’t make a decision with your solar plexus or with your heart. You implement decision-making in your intellectual area. That’s where free will takes place. Your Intuition can be telling you, “Rest,” but your Intellect can be saying, “No, I can’t rest. I don’t have time to rest. If I rest, bad things will happen.” You make the decision to keep working. That is the basic kind of conflict that we first resolve within ourselves—and it changes everything.
We’ll hear some stories in a minute from the trainers about how they’ve used it and the miraculous outcomes they’ve had. I could write a whole case study book about the miraculous outcomes when we do this work. When I say “miracle,” I mean facilitating a result that I could not have facilitated by going directly into the arena of the conflict. I could not have facilitated this outcome that came up had I sat down with my client and talked to the issues. That’s the miracle. Those are the miracles we’ll create.
The Witness part of you also operates in the intellectual arena. It’s stepping back, taking notes. “Look at me thinking I can’t do that. Look at me being judgmental. Look at all that deep anxiety in my solar plexus. Listen, there’s Intuition telling me what to do.” The Witness, the observer, has the ability to inspire you to make those different decisions. When you know what decisions you should be making, it doesn’t guarantee that you’ll make them, but it’s a much easier step to be inspired to make them.
With all that said, I’ll share my conflict. It’s called “Assumptions and Miscommunications.” This will be an epic conflict for the rest of my life because I learned so much through it. The one I was originally going to do was a woman I was coaching with a miraculous outcome. She named hers “Tiptoeing through the Minefields of Facebook.” I thought, “Raise your hand if you’ve never been triggered by something somebody said on Facebook.” Of course, no one has a hand up. So we’ll focus on this and then bring on Robin and Cathy in a minute.
I was coaching Maxinne one-to-one on Conflict REVOLUTION. Here’s something I learned a long time ago: when I coach, I need to have my own conflict that I’m focused on, because there’s a 75% chance that when I coach someone, I will be triggered. I learned this when Teresa McMillian, one of the co-founders and co-authors, my dear friend, years ago finally decided to use Conflict REVOLUTION to address her migraines, which were frequent and horrible. She asked me if I would help coach her. We called her conflict “The Headache Project.” I quickly discovered that I was being triggered by my sister. My sister and I had a lifelong conflict. She gave me a headache. So I could call it the “Headache Project,” and we could get a two-fer.
This is what happened with Maxinne. She has a massage therapy business, and because of some limitations she’s going through right now, she can’t do massages. Her revenue is dependent on the massage therapists who work through her office. She gets a cut of that. We were doing the training. She had an active conflict. She understood that she was working to learn how to make decisions for the good of the whole. She arranged for her massage therapist Judy to have a reading with me. I asked, “Phone or Skype?” She said, “I want to come in person.” I don’t do many readings in person any more, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I honored it because she was Maxinne’s friend.
We made an appointment. The only time that we could do it was if she came to where I was staying at 4:00 and we were done by 5:30 because my hostess was coming home and there was no privacy to do the reading. At 10:00 the morning of the reading, Maxinne got a request for a massage that afternoon that would have put Judy to my place at 4:30 or 5:00. She texted me and said, “Can you move the reading? Can she get there at 5:00?” I said, “No, I can’t, but I can do it by phone.” And I thought, understanding what was going on, that they would definitely take the walk-in traffic and we could reschedule by phone. In my mind that was what was for the good of the whole. So I said, “Have her call me, we’ll reschedule. We’ll do it by phone. It’s no big deal.”
I didn’t hear from anyone, and I just assumed that that’s what they did, because money was the big trigger. She needed money. “Yeah, get money, let’s be abundant, this is wonderful!” So I changed my plans. At 4:00 I was walking out the door, and a woman was walking up and down the sidewalk. Turned out to be Judy, right on time—early, in fact. I got triggered in that moment. I told her, “I thought you had canceled.” She said no. I did the reading. When I asked what she wanted, she didn’t seem as if she were in emotional distress. She just wanted to see what channeling was. That triggered me a bit, like I was on display. But it was a beautiful reading. I did my quick revolution and really enjoyed the reading. She was buoyed by it.
Later that night, I got an email from Maxinne. She was pissed. She said, “Why could you not have moved her appointment to 5:00? I just lost $80? How is that good for the whole?”
That’s my conflict.
Right now, I want to bring on Robin Cordova, who is also going to share some of her work and her conflict, and then we’ll do ours together, and then we’ll bring Cathy on and she’ll also share.
Good morning, Robin, how are you today?
Robin: Good morning, Barbara, I’m great! Thank you.
Barbara: I want to ask you a question before we get into your conflict. How do you experience the Witness? When I do my Witness, I feel schizophrenic, like I have two voices in my head. But I’m OK with it, because I know what it is. How do you experience the Witness?
Robin: That’s a good visual. I experience it as a healthy split. I know that part of me is splitting off to step outside of myself and pay attention to what’s happening around me, listening to my thoughts and my feelings. I try to make sure to ground myself as well.
Barbara: Ah, good idea! How do you do that?
Robin: I use the circle visualization that you explained in the opening. That’s the most powerful thing when I feel off-center or woozy from becoming a Witness. I ground with that circle visualization that you guided us there at the beginning.
Barbara: Great. What conflict are you bringing?
Robin: A long-time coworker and I, someone I’ve been working with for about 15 years, we live in different states. When we work together, most of our contact is via phone. Sometimes we’ll be in person together, but primarily it’s via phone. We architect and sell mission-critical computer systems, and often our projects take months. They’re difficult. There are a lot of obstacles. In my opinion, the only way to get through them is to be optimistic, to have perseverance, to be grateful for things that are going well, to stay focused and hopeful and work toward solutions. That’s the only way we’ll get through.
Robin: We were going through about a year where things weren’t going well. We had a corporate customer where things were crashing. When systems crash, corporations lose millions of dollars every minute, and it can become quite stressful. When we’d get on the phone, instead of trying to focus on what went well and how we could solve the problem, he wanted to rant and complain and rage and express his frustration at things that were out of his control. Often, especially during this period when we were going through a difficult time, we were talking daily. He’d spend an extra 20 minutes on the phone with me beyond the purpose of the call just to dump all of his negative emotions on me. I’d end up switching into a coaching rescue mode. There’s a difference between coaching and rescuing.
Robin: Coaching is a healthy function; rescuing is an unhealthy function. I was finding myself in the unhealthy function of trying to rescue him and bring him back up emotionally and take on more than my responsibility and trying to fix things and make it OK. I’d hang up zapped of energy. I’ll get to the emotion when we’re ready for that part.
Barbara: Did you name your conflict?
Robin: Yes: “Mr. Downer.”
Barbara: (laughs) That’s good! So we’ve got your “Mr. Downer” and my “Assumptions and Miscommunications.” We’ve laid them out. For those of you who are doing this at home, you can start to see as we move forward what we’ll do with all this information. We’ll identify the three human dimensions within the conflict. It doesn’t matter where you start putting your matrix together. This will be your action plan when you get done. I wouldn’t suggest starting with Intuition. That’s hard, especially if you have an active conflict and you have emotions and thoughts going on. It’s hard to winnow out what the intuitive message is. I’ll start with the intellectual sound bites. The reason we create sound bites is because the imagination and the Intellect can run crazy wild all over you, and you get lost in it.
Barbara: We’re trying to pare down the whole story of the conflict into one or two sentences about what is really bugging you here with the root of the problem with Mr. Downer. What is my problem with Maxinne? You get them so they’re small so a) you can remember them and b) you can call upon them in those times when we get to the process a little later on.
Barbara: For me, [the conflict with Maxinne] was a very easy conflict to parboil down to intellectual sound bites, and one of the great things for me was how quickly I did it. It happened after I stopped. My intellectual sound bites were, “She’s making all kinds of assumptions. She’s not communicating very well.” For a brief time, my Intellect went to, “You know, she never called me back to confirm. She assumed that I did this and that.” But quickly, those two sound bites helped guide me to the next step. My Emotion was irritation, anger, confusion, frustration, impatience. For those of you who are doing this, when you’re trying to identify the emotion of it, don’t go into the reasons why you think you feel this. That’s an intellectual activity. We are looking just to identify and isolate the emotion around this conflict. They should be one-word answers. Robin, how did you get to your intellectual sound bites?
Robin: That’s a good reminder, to separate the Intellect and just focus on the Emotion. I’ll start there. I was feeling furious and outraged and resentful, quite frankly, drained of energy, and that’s what made me feel resentful. Exasperated. I would assign fairly strong emotions in this particular conflict.
Barbara: What about the intellectual sound bite?
Robin: The intellectual sound bite was, “He’s so pessimistic. He’s always hopeless. He brings me down and drains me. And he doesn’t care about the burden he puts on me.”
Barbara: Oh, gosh, I’ve had sound bites like that. (laughs) “They just don’t understand me!”
Robin: (laughs) Exactly!
Barbara: When we’re trying to find the Intuition, it’s a little trickier. Sometimes you can try to think of what Jesus would tell you to do, what a great spiritual leader would tell you to do, what your best friend who knows you and loves you and is kind would tell you to do, what your caring mother would tell you to do if you can’t figure it out. Oftentimes we get into places where we have intense emotions and thoughts about the other person, and it’s hard to separate those out.
Barbara: For me, very quickly, I heard, “Look at yourself.” It’s a form of, “Do the work, do the revolution, do your process.” Because I know that when I do the process, I get the miracle. What will inspire me to do that process when I’m in that place? That was to look at myself and to be kind. Those were the two intuitive messages. And remember also that Intuition is a small, declarative statement that will tell you to do something and that it’s about the next step to take. We can’t figure out what Intuition will tell you to do when you get into a situation. It’s all about present moment and what that Intuition is picking up about the situation and what’s good for the whole. Here we’ll imagine that it’ll work that way, but just understand, as you go forward with your Intuition, that it’s all about what will happen in present moment, not what will happen next week. What was your Intuition telling you?
Robin: There are two branches that came out of this. The first nugget of Intuition I received was to set up boundaries. That was the very first thing I needed to do. It was not my responsibility to make him happy. That was a direct action that I had to take for this conflict, but it wasn’t the full revolution.
Barbara: We’ll get to that in a minute.
Robin: Initially, my Intuition said, “Set up boundaries.” It was a nugget of three words. That was my first step.
Barbara: So now we have our matrix. We have our intellectual sound bites. We have identified what our emotions are. We did some conjecture about what Compassion would want us to do for the good of the whole. I’ll introduce Cathy in a minute, but I want to get to two things about the intellectual sound bites. Our next step is to revolve those sound bites back onto us. “I had poor communication. I was making assumptions.” In this case you would revolve yours to figure out that you had hopelessness, right?
Robin: Yes. And I had to find where I was also pessimistic, which originally was, “I’m not pessimistic! I’m the most optimistic person I know!” (laughs) I’ll get to that more later.
Barbara: For those of you doing this at home, create that revolved sound bite and have that ready. I want to bring on Cathy right now and have her share some things that went on, and then we’ll all rev this together and give you an idea of how it works across the board. Good morning, Cathy!
Cathy: Good morning! I’m doing great, how are you?
Cathy: I would like to share that I loved how Robin talked about the rescuer and the coach, because it’s so easy for me to slip from one to the other. As far as Conflict REVOLUTION for me, when we first learned this years ago, the thing I learned that helped me the most was that I was talking about and thinking about my feelings versus feeling and breathing them through my body. And understanding the differences, a clear definition about Emotion, Intellect, and Intuition helped me to go forward and made my life much easier. Barbara spoke about leading by example. I had an experience yesterday that was so interesting. I have a conflict that I’ve named “Being Blocked from All Directions.” That’s where I had a Con Rev within a Con Rev. The other one is called “No Longer Being Here.” That’s about my daughter Lori and my son-in-law Craig.
Cathy: Yesterday morning I was working with my friend Tammy getting to a core issue that was preventing her from manifesting the money, the job, the home, the man. She felt like she was being blocked from all directions. We were going through the process of Conflict REVOLUTION, and she stopped and said, with much passion, “You’re blocking me also. Why do you do that? I’ve watched you receiving help from all your other friends, and yet you’ve blocked every offer I give you. I offered to cook a meal for you, do the dishes, help you during chemo, but you deny my help. Why do you do that?” That was a case where when you talk about how you can come into Conflict REVOLUTION at any level, I’m not even sure I had a conscious sound bite, but I went right into the feeling and the breathing.
Barbara: Because you were obviously triggered?
Cathy: Yes. “What is my truth? What can I tell her? What can I answer her?” I didn’t want to hurt her feelings. I had the back story. I told myself that the reason for not letting her help me was that she hadn’t been through cancer or chemo and she was unable to understand and give me the support I needed. But right there, I went into feeling and breathing so I could get to my intuitive message.
Barbara: What was it?
Cathy: “Tell her the truth.” And at that moment, the truth came to me: “I don’t trust you.” To be able to tell her—because we had a past experience that was a misunderstanding. She thought I was sleeping with her boyfriend and sent terrible text messages demanding that I confess to her. She was so convinced that I was guilty that it got really ugly. We had become friends again, but I had kept her at arm’s length and refused to accept any help she was offering me because I was so angry that I didn’t trust her enough to let her all the way in. That was so empowering. And then talk about leading by example: in the middle of coaching her through her conflict, I had to stop and feel and breathe to help us go forward.
Barbara: Let’s leave that one right there and go to the one we worked on.
Cathy: Friday I had a call from my daughter. She was crying. She was afraid that her husband was dead. Her phone had died. She had to borrow a phone to call me. There was no way for her to go home. She had left for work that morning and couldn’t find him anywhere. He had been threatening, “You’ll miss me when I’m gone.” She had to go to work. She checked the house, the barn, couldn’t find him anywhere. She goes to work and she’s devastated all day long because she doesn’t know whether he’s alive or dead. That’s why I called that conflict “No Longer Being Here.”
Cathy: I dropped what I was doing and drove over and checked on him and found out that he was still there. He had hid from her that morning when she left for work to make her feel bad. He figured once he was dead, she would miss him when he was gone, and by hiding from her, it gave her a taste of that.
Cathy: I was so overwhelmed with how to deal with that the next day that I had to go back to Conflict 101 and call you, Barbara, and ask for some guidance through this because I was so frustrated myself I couldn’t get my sound bites. When we finally got to them, they were, “He was good at manipulating. He wasn’t helping the situation. And what if he wasn’t here any more?”
Cathy: Those are my sound bites.
Barbara: What was the Emotion? This is really intense.
Cathy: Completely overwhelmed, frustrated. This goes back to how I want to be the rescuer, so I go in and try to fix the situation. Overwhelmed and frustrated. It was so overwhelming I couldn’t think clearly.
Barbara: When we get overwhelmed, sometimes we have all the feelings super-sized.
Barbara: What intuitive message was in this conflict?
Cathy: I had to ask for help. That’s why I called and asked for guidance through this. Even though I automatically know this process and it comes to me so quickly and I go through it without even consciously knowing what I’m doing sometimes, this one blocked me so much that when I stopped to feel and breathe, the intuitive message was, “Ask for help.”
Barbara: It’s interesting, as an aside, how these two conflicts involve asking for help.
Cathy: (laughs) Yes!
Barbara: When Cathy and I talked in the morning, originally we were going to talk about the layout of the show, but then she came in this state and asked me to coach her. I shared with her the content I had already formulated talking about with Robin, and we thought it was a wonderful opportunity to show in real time that this really works. You were the guinea pig, in that place where emotions were intense and thoughts were out of control. You were having the conflict and we were breaking down the pieces at the same time. Oftentimes when somebody’s in a training session or a workshop, they’re not actively engaged. It’s not a triage moment. It’s an intellectual story. But you were in that moment. When we got to the place where we said, “Let’s imagine what the Intuition would have told you to do,” all we had to do was look back and identify what that was, and it was, “Ask for help.” And you asked for help. It’s beautiful how Conflict REVOLUTION becomes an operating system, and not only does your Intuition tell you to ask for help, but then your Intellect dials the phone to get the help. You don’t have to say, “I don’t need help.”
Cathy: And yes, thank you for helping me define this, because I’m still in the middle of processing all of that. It just happened this weekend. Just trying to explain it to someone, I appreciate your help in clarifying what we’re going through with this. And it works.
Barbara: And also—and I think Robin will address this as well—my conflict happened very quickly and was revolved and resolved quickly, and I quickly got to the miraculous place that I’ll share in a minute. But more often than not, it takes time to do this. In talking about, say, Mr. Downer, Robin, now that you’ve had the revolution back to yourself, I think we need to share what the process is that we now do. There are two components to it. One is to deal with Emotion in a new way: to breathe it, not to analyze it. The other is to change the thought to which the Emotion is marrying itself to create your reality and then change the thinking process. These are two big things. These aren’t easy to do. Tell us about processing Mr. Downer.
Robin: It went off into two branches. That’s why I wanted to share that conflict. It will help people to see that sometimes we have to work things in multiple ways. With him, I had to take action steps to get that relationship to a healthy place. That required setting up boundaries and seeing that my kindness is helpful for people, but that there’s a shadow side to kindness, too. We let ourselves be taken advantage of, we feel that we have to take responsibility for someone else’s happiness.
Robin: For him, I needed to set up healthy boundaries and take myself out of that responsibility because I needed my energy to solve the technical issues of what was going on. It wasn’t my responsibility to prop him up. But then I had to step back into the Witness and work with the deeper sound bites, which were the pessimism and hopelessness. At first I couldn’t see it in my life. There are so many areas in my life where I’m very optimistic. I had to step back further into the Witness and ask the greater part of me, “Show me where I’m pessimistic.” I think oftentimes when we’re not seeing it we can ask that greater part of ourselves to show us, and then step further into the Witness and watch what comes up and look for deeper intuitive messages.
Robin: Over time, I found that it was in the intimate relationship part of my life. Not my work life, not my life as a mother, a coach, an athlete. All of those things I’m very hopeful and optimistic in. But when I think about going out on a date or feeling that I was somehow going to be successful in a romantic relationship in my life, I wasn’t hopeful. I was pessimistic. That’s where my work was.
Barbara: That’s a great illustration of why conflicts are so hard to address. When you see something like this, you realize that his trigger of you into this place was your energy calling you to look way over here at a place that had nothing to do with him. How long do you think this went on?
Robin: I talked with you about it several times during this period, and I’m a year in right now. It was right at this time last year when I realized I need to set boundaries. It took some time to work with the Emotion, to realize where the pessimism was, and to come up with an action plan. I’m just now starting to make some headway in both a new relationship with my coworker—because I still have to work with him—and a new relationship with my own optimism and hopefulness in the romantic relationship area of my life. It takes time and patience and being committed to self-love and self-compassion. That’s crucial for this work.
Barbara: You brought up this question, and then Cathy brought it up, and as you were talking I was thinking about some conflicts I have about when we want to be nice. I had a year-long conflict called “The Kitchen Dishes.” My roommate was leaving dishes in the sink. You would have thought I could just say, “Hey, can you clean up your dishes?” But I couldn’t. I was being hammered in my brain about how small I was that I wouldn’t just wipe off this bowl for her, thinking I wasn’t being nice enough, I was so selfish. While you were trying to set those boundaries, were you struggling with some of those kinds of voices?
Robin: Definitely! Having to do things I wouldn’t normally do, such as let his calls go to voicemail so that I could listen to the message and stay focused on doing a good job with just the technical part. My job isn’t to prop him up emotionally, it’s to work the issues. I didn’t have to spend 20 extra minutes on the phone working through his emotion and then be so drained that I couldn’t do my job well.
Barbara: Getting back to the moments where we’re feeling Emotion, we have the Intuition. “I’m going to set some boundaries.” You let it roll to voicemail, where you were making a decision to set a boundary, to do things differently, but there’s anxiety, shame, and thoughts about how you’re not a nice person.
Barbara: This is why it can take a year or more sometimes, and this is one reason why I was inspired to do this show, because Maxinne came back after her first night of feeling and breathing and noticing these terrible thoughts, and she said, “I was feeling and breathing all night and nothing changed.”
Robin: And then she gets into a cycle of being hard on herself.
Barbara: Yes. This is our pattern. But with her, I said that there might not be a change in that moment, but what’s different is, you’re observing yourself now. That’s the first step. When you observe and experiment, it changes. The very fact that she’s observing it is a beginning step.
Robin: Yes. We have to honor the process, not the results, praise ourselves for the process. Like you’ve said many times, we are building a new operating system. It’ll take time. We’re reworking our brains, our thinking process. To learn to stop, to feel, to breathe, to step into the Witness, to honor the small steps is so crucial.
There’s another thing you’ve always said that was very helpful, too: using the question “Is this regenerative or degenerative?” When you get a moment of, “Oh, I’m not kind enough. This feels awkward,” when we’re growing, it will feel awkward, because we’re doing something different, so we’ll feel a little bit awkward. Ask yourself, “Is this a regenerative or a degenerative step?” If it’s regenerative, it’s probably good for the whole.
Barbara: Yes. In this instance, the phone rings and you see it’s your coworker, you let it go to voicemail, which is making a decision for the good of all, but you’re still feeling bad, thinking bad thoughts, but you’ve made that decision.
Robin: Good point. That happens in the free will. “This feels awkward because you pride yourself on doing a good job and not letting people down.” But you’re only stopping the degenerative part. I was still planning to hear the voicemail and respond to what was needed, but I didn’t have to put myself on the phone for 20 minutes in a degenerative state.
Barbara: Right. And in the case of my “Kitchen Dishes” conflict, after a year of it, I was embarrassed to talk about it to anybody who knows Conflict REVOLUTION. When I finally got the aha moment and the miracle, I was talking to my sister about it, and she reminded me that when I was little, my mother used to work long hours, and I would clean up the whole kitchen. She would come home after a 12-hour workday and find the one thing I didn’t do and yell at me.
Barbara: And when I got that, I was able to go back to my roommate and start the conversation, “Hey, would you mind if we—?” She got a little defensive, and suddenly I’m weeping and we are having the best conversation! She said, “Don’t ever, ever, ever not tell me these things.” So we built trust, and it was all divine timing. Since then our relationship has deepened so much that I don’t want her to go. I used to be like, “I’m glad I have a roommate, I love her, but I wish I lived alone.” Now I think, “No! Don’t leave me!” (laughs)
Barbara: Cathy, tell me what happened after we talked and you had the thing happen with Tammy. What about the conflict with your son-in-law?
Cathy: Let me close up the conflict we were working called “Being Blocked in All Directions.” My question was, “What is my truth?” So “What is my truth with Tammy?” follows into “What is my truth with my family?” Not only did my being asked to tell her the truth—that I didn’t trust her and why I didn’t—help open up the tensions and the blocks in my relationship with Tammy, but it helped her. We did more Con Rev on her story, and she had a breakthrough to realize that in the incident where she felt like I and everybody else were blocking her, this is a core issue. She’s feeling people blocking her from all directions from her abundance. Maybe that will be the change and she’ll open up those blocks and start healing on a new level so she can get her abundance on all levels.
Cathy: Going back to “What is my truth?,” when I come back to the story with Craig and Lori, maybe Craig was threatening to commit suicide, and instead of my being so angry and frustrated with this “evil” man, what if he’s the person who is showing Lori that she can be a different way so she no longer wants to commit suicide but wants to figure out how to get through her life without so much conflict? The fact that he is threatening and she is saying, “No, don’t do this,” that’s their conflict. So I’m thinking all along that this is their problem, when my truth is, my biggest fear and my deepest core issue is my fear of dying, of no longer being there.
Cathy: Going through that, I feel like I’m able to look at my issues of dying. My first husband was threatening to kill me, and now chemo is threatening to kill me, cancer is threatening to kill me, so how do I get what I want in life? I’m realizing that maybe I don’t need cancer any more to get what I want out of life. I’m still processing all of this.
Barbara: Yeah, wow!
Cathy: You can see how this all ties together! All this weekend I was like, “Whoa!” (laughs)
Barbara: A back story is that you’ve been dealing with Lori, who is suicidal, and she’s just recently decided that she wants to live and she’s been struggling to establish a life for herself and making better decisions. Craig is basically committing a slow suicide in front of everyone.
Cathy: Thank you for articulating that!
Barbara: And you and I talked about how Craig is Lori’s—as Carlos Castaneda used to call it—“petty tyrant.” He is the impetus who is pushing her, giving her the platform to rise above that behavior in herself. He’s playing an important role for her right now, even though they may not end up married. He might kill himself. He might not. You’re seeing Lori changing her life, obviously influenced by being raised watching her father trying to kill her mother and do harm to her. She’s breaking that pattern, and now it’s coming back to you, when you’re on chemo for cancer. We’ve done some work since you were diagnosed and chose to get chemo. That was breathtaking, because I know you want to live. But it seemed like when we revolved—and now we’ll get to the last revolution of the sound bites—“What if he’s not here any more? What if you’re not here any more? I want to be here.”
Barbara: “I want to live.”
Cathy: Like I said, I was thinking it was all their problem. I didn’t realize what core issue of my own I was bringing to the surface.
Cathy: Very powerful!
Barbara: Yes! Going back to my quick conflict, “I’m miscommunicating. I’m making assumptions.” When I asked myself what assumptions I was making and where I was not communicating well, oh, my gosh! First of all, I assumed that Maxinne and Judy canceled the appointment. I didn’t communicate well on why Judy couldn’t have come at 5:00. When I said to the universe, “Show me now as I move forward where I make assumptions,” I saw that I make assumptions all day long!
At that moment, every time I started to make an assumption about Maxinne or Judy, I stopped and said, “Wait a minute. Show me what the answer to this question is. Why did we have to do it in person? I assumed that Judy was curious and wanted to take advantage of—no! Why?” And then I realized that she had never seen a channel. A lifelong goal of hers was to be in the presence of someone who channels. She’s heard about them. She’s read them. Maxinne has told her, and now here’s a woman she trusts, because Maxinne is one of her best friends, and it’s really important for her to get there at 4:00 to be in the same space because this may not come again.
Barbara: When I realized that, without making an assumption about why she wanted it to be in-person, it came to me. Oh, so even though I thought it was best for the whole if they took the money, that extra money she would have made wasn’t nearly as important as getting to that appointment to be in the presence of a channel. This was like a treasure hunt. There was no shame involved, no degenerative voice in my head saying, “What’s wrong with you? You always make assumptions!” There was no icky feeling. There was the joy of discovery. And by the next day, Maxinne, too, was observing and making different decisions and thinking different thoughts and feeling and breathing, and we were able to put together all of our assumptions, and we got the big picture. We said, “Look at this! We never would have been able to do this without Conflict REVOLUTION!”
Barbara: And then it continued when I went to New Orleans and my friend never called me back. I could use this, not make assumptions, not respond, and the long and short of it was, I had her phone blocked and I didn’t even know it! I could have done a big thing about her failings, but I didn’t. I had a great time, even though she wasn’t there.
Barbara: Let’s go to Robin. When you found those places in your love life where you were pessimistic and hopeless, where did that take you?
Robin: That’s the beauty of Conflict REVOLUTION: you often end up solving something that’s very deep and meaningful. That’s why the Emotion is so strong. In my case, I had to look at how I build up hopefulness in my life and realize that this is something I truly valued and wanted in my life and had not been successful in. That was sad. That was creating a sense of hopelessness. Pessimistic thinking is often aligned with feeling personally flawed. In my case I was feeling unworthy and unlovable. It sent me back to doing some inner child healing work for being hopeful. I then worked towards setting some goals, like we talked about in January, setting goals and pathways that were achievable for me and that worked for me. I’m still working on these things, but I’m much more hopeful and optimistic now because I could see the problem clearly, which I might not have been able to do without the Conflict REVOLUTION process.
Barbara: Without Mr. Downer?
Robin: Yeah, without Mr. Downer!
Barbara: Bless him!
Robin: And that’s where we have to ask how we can be grateful. I just want to say, Cathy, you’re so brave to come on the show and talk about these vulnerable things that you’re right in the middle of.
Cathy: Thank you.
Robin: I want to acknowledge that, because I have been working on this conflict that I’m sharing for a year. I’m excited for you and the beautiful things that will unfold. I’m busy with the work now, coming back to going into the Witness. How is this going? Am I feeling and breathing and paying attention to those thoughts? Not letting myself tell myself I’m flawed and unworthy and unlovable?
Cathy: Thank you, Robin. For me, the process of Con Rev is amazingly powerful. When we go forward creating our lives, my main goal is to consistently ask to be aware. I want to be aware of when I’m not telling the truth to other people and especially to myself. I want to be aware when I’m feeling fear and sorry for myself and afraid of not being here any more, to be able to step back and be the Witness, the observer who can see when I’m cheating myself out of a lovely life because of all my bullshit.
Barbara: What was interesting about our work yesterday was when you said, “This cancer has caused me to ask for more help, and I’m finding out how loved I am.”
Cathy: It’s so huge. I don’t have to create cancer to know that people love me and care about me. I have been given so many gifts, from emotional support to money to gifts to food to people helping me, driving me to my appointments. I lost my 12-year-old granddaughter to cancer last year. I went through depression that I didn’t realize I was going through, feeling like I didn’t have any purpose in life any more, not realizing why, not realizing I was in depression. I was pulling myself away from the world and not doing anything or going anywhere. Creating the cancer has opened me up to realizing, “Wow, I don’t need to have an illness to go forward with my goals.”
Barbara: And when you were describing all the things you were gaining from having the cancer, my response was, “I have all those things, and I don’t have cancer. I feel so loved.”
Cathy: I know!
Barbara: That was sort of an Aha! for both of us.
Cathy: Yes, yes! We all want to be loved and accepted and adored and cradled and happy! (laughs)
Barbara: Have you created any kind of action plan from our work going forward about wanting to live?
Cathy: The basic one is that sometimes I need to breathe and remember to step back into my Witness and observe what I’m doing. As I go forward, I choose to be more aware of when I am not doing the things that I want to do, like telling the truth and being honest with myself and allowing myself to go out and create the love and all the joy that I’m getting without being sick. Those are my steps going forward.
Barbara: In our matrix, the action plan, the last step of the sound bites we’re writing down, has those intellectual sound bites defining what we need to do in order to address the original issue. For me, with “Assumptions and Miscommunications,” my action plan is based on my Intuition, which said, “Look at yourself.” My plan going forward is that I’m going to watch where I make assumptions and where I don’t communicate quite as well as I could. As I told you, this is going down in the history of revs, because there are so many things in that one week where I didn’t make assumptions, where I made sure to take that extra step in communication and step back and think, “Have I told everybody everything? Do I need to tell anybody anything else?” And when I find places where I’m not communicating or I make an assumption, there’s no shame. There’s no mentally berating myself. It’s like, “Oh, look, it’s me making assumptions again.”
Cathy: The beauty of you and Robin and me all sharing with each other is that I look at yours and Robin’s sound bites and goals for going forward, and I see how I can now apply those to me. It applies to all of us.
Barbara: Yes. When I do this in a workshop, everyone has a Post-It note on the wall and I write all the emotions at the bottom in red and go all around the room, and when we’re done, you see that it doesn’t matter how different the story line is. My story line from Robin’s story line and especially from your story line and T.’s story line, it’s the same conflicts. It’s the universal emotions that do not get embraced and loved and moving through the flow: anger, depression, sadness, frustration—all the bad stuff is trapped in us, and it becomes cancer. It becomes excessive weight, depression, externally it is separations within families, conflicts within the community, worldwide conflict.
Barbara: We are working at the root level. Listening to both of your conflicts, I’m finding great fodder for my own continued revolutions. Robin?
Robin: Agreed. We all make assumptions. That’s a good one, too! (laughs)
Barbara: It’s so elemental. I’m so grateful to M. We’re coming to the end, but I wanted to ask you: boiling it down into a basic presentation, what do you think is the best way to help people untrain themselves to reject the bad emotions?
Robin: For me, I remind myself that when I’m triggered with Emotion, the first thing I tell myself is, “Don’t have a knee-jerk reaction.” When I get triggered I say, “Oh, there’s work to do.” It creates a new instant response to whatever emotion is happening. I’ve even trained myself to do that with intense joy, because intense joy, the people who run off in Las Vegas have equally had a knee-jerk reaction to extreme joy that may not be good for the whole. With any emotion that’s coming through us, we can stop and say, “I have work to do.” That’s where I begin, and then I remember the process. “Feel and breathe.” I follow the training, the process.
Barbara: Particularly because, having known you this long, it’s been challenging for you to access deep emotion.
Cathy: (laughs) Yes! You asked how we would encourage others. At one time when most of us would take a bad emotion when we were feeling it and tell people, “Don’t feel that way,” when you see someone crying and expressing an uncomfortable emotion. I’m able now to allow them and myself, because I didn’t used to be good at crying at all, to feel those “bad” emotions, because all emotions can lead us some place else. We encourage each other to feel the good and the bad emotions and move them through and then take that—like, if I’m feeling sad, I can’t feel like being happy immediately, but I can take the next step up to whatever emotion makes me feel a little bit better and then a little bit better. Every time I process the ConRev I need to breathe. I breathe to get into my Witness. I breathe to find my truth. I breathe to find my sound bite. Just remembering to feel and breathe has been so powerful to me.
Barbara: Me, too. I want to add an ending to my own conflict. Shortly after or during this time, I had a conflict with my sister—and I was Maxinne! I wrote an email to my sister that sounded just like hers. I sent it off and immediately started to feel and breathe, and I’m so grateful for bringing Conflict REVOLUTION to my family. The sister who triggered me was the one from “The Headache Project.” Long story short, my other sister was involved as well, and she said, “This is not a conversation for email.” So I called her, and she was wonderful. She was triggered, too, but she returned Conflict REVOLUTION to me. She knew how to do it. And pretty soon I was crying, she was crying. She also had something that was coming up. So I waited for a few days and I kept getting Intuition nudging me, “Call the other one.”
Barbara: I was a little less excited, because she traditionally would read me the riot act. But she was also wonderful, so loving and calm. She explained everything. We had a wonderful talk, and we’ll get together when I get home. So you can even act not for the good of the whole and it can come out for the good of the whole.
Barbara: Is there anything else either of you wants to add before we close this and let people go off and think about this and digest it?
Cathy: Thank you, Robin and Barb. When we went through what happened this weekend and I had to ask you for help and you asked me if I would be willing to share in the Sunday morning conference these personal things about me and my family, my first reaction was, “Eeek!” And then I realized that my truth needs to be told, because then I can show by example that not only do people who have been doing ConRev for years and doing it well get stuck and need to ask for help, but also, when you hear my story, you can relate to it and say, “If she can do this, I can fix the issue I have with my boss at work.” I’m so grateful to both of you. I love you both. Thank you for letting me be a part of this—even though I was a little bit scared to do it!
Barbara: The powerful thing about you sharing your story is that I have always believed that Conflict REVOLUTION can heal physical illnesses, it can prevent physical illnesses by not allowing a build-up, an abscess of emotion to get stuck in our bodies. You have shown that this isn’t a replacement for chemo or any kind of physical therapy anybody might be doing with cancer, but I believe it can augment the healing process. I’m looking forward to having you get your clean bill of health.
Cathy: Amen! (laughs)
Robin: In closing, I think we’ve shown by all these examples a good reason why this work is important and why it’s worth it. Maybe listeners are thinking, “This is a lot of effort. I don’t know if I can do it.” But what inspires us is the health, the well-being that come out of it, stronger relationships, the ability to achieve the things that you value in life. In my case, I realized that I value having a partnership and I want to do whatever it takes to get that. My conflict with Mr. Downer is the one that helped me to see that mirror and say, “Wait a minute. I’m draining my own energy by telling myself I’m unworthy and unlovable and I’ll never have a partner or be able to achieve what I want in life.” I didn’t see the pathway, I couldn’t find the next step I needed to take.
Robin: I’m taking a lot of steps, declaring that this is something I value, setting that intention daily, seeing the optimistic side. What am I grateful for? What is working right? What will work for me? How do I combat the thoughts that are telling me that I’m unworthy and unlovable? How do I step into the Witness and catch myself every time I start to beat myself up? Pushing back, wrestling with those thoughts to create more hopefulness. I’m much more hopeful a year into it. I haven’t achieved my goal yet, but I’m very hopeful that I will.
Barbara: And Lily Phelps, on her show we were talking about if Jesus would forgive Hitler, and the answer was, “Of course.” He couldn’t not forgive him, because then he wouldn’t be Jesus. You can’t not achieve that goal, because if we’re going to have a vision and intention and work towards that, then it has to have come true in the future.
Robin: I love that.
Barbara: So we can find hopefulness in that, too. I want to close by telling the people who have listened to this who want to do this work that you can always contact me at Partyof12.com, BarbWith@gmail. I have a number of learning tools. My new book, Einstein et al.: Manifestation, Conflict REVOLUTION, and the New Operating System, is the complete guide. It’s the unified field theory, the maps of human consciousness, and the complete curriculum that will walk you through it. I do some one-on-one coaching. I occasionally have online classes. Come to my website and sign up. There’s a lot of free stuff there as well to download. With this basic information, I think you can start experimenting with yourself and gain control of your own domain. I think I speak for Cathy and Robin and everyone who has been practicing and experiencing the results of Conflict REVOLUTION when I say that then you only will need to watch and be amazed.
Thank you! Until next time! Have a wonderful month! At the end of April we will have Leslie Stewart on talking about joy.
Over the past month, I’ve had the honor of teaching Conflict REVOLUTION® to two very motivated peacemakers. These two sessions, independent of each other, had similar features: both dealt with uncontrollable rage and degenerative, abusive voices of culture playing in their brains.
As is always true of training Con Rev, I can count on a conflict of my own rearing up when I teach. So I was looking forward to seeing how this would be manifesting around these two sessions.
This time, the conflict that made manifest and the final results shocked even me (in an absolutely wonderful way). I am so inspired by these students and so excited to share these stories, I decided to offer Conflict REVOLUTION 101 for the next 2017 Re-Boot.
Even though this Re-Boot is aimed at those who are new to the process, for us vets who have heard it ad infinitum, it will gently remind us of the power in being the “perpetual beginner.” We will also be sharing our own success stories that are sure to inspire you to take the plunge into your own operating system.
Join me and my two certified Con Rev ® coaches, Cathy Kline and Robin Cordova. Together we will take you one step at a time through a process so simple you won’t need anything but your open mind and willingness to observer yourself. At the same time, so deep that what you change will affect the entire operating system. Once the OS is upgraded, your life becomes much more aligned to compassion, joy, and commitment to doing what is best for the good of all, starting with taking care of yourself.
Once you start seeing where your power truly lies and take control of what is yours to be in charge of, you reboot your entire operating system to automatically make decisions for the good of the whole.
Conflicts will never go away. But we can train ourselves to deal with them in new, revolutionary ways that truly provide for the good of the whole. This alignment to Compassion is evolution, taking one small step for humans and one giant step for humankind.
Join us Sunday morning, or download the files afterward. Either way, thank you for being willing to become the change!
Barbara: Good morning. It is February 26, 2017. My name is Barbara With, and I am here with the Party of 12 (www.partyof12.com). This is the second in our 2017 series, a 12-part series that I’ve called the Reboot. The idea of this series is that we are in the process of rebooting our operating systems and creating an entirely new way in which we relate to the physical world and ourselves. Here we use our Einsteinian road maps and we become the scientists in our own lives seeking to infuse them with Compassion, which is the fifth fundamental force of the universe and is the source of all creation, including the source of us.
Each month I’m trying to bring a new guest to interview, someone who grasps and understands the Einsteinian maps and ideas but also has a completely different platform from which we can find out where our paths cross. Last week we had Robin Cordova, who was very instrumental in showing us about hope and positive psychology. I learned so much from that. The Einsteinian information, Conflict REVOLUTION, everything we’ve been working with, is meant to augment the rest of our physical lives. It’s meant to augment medical science, psychology, religion, Christianity, even arts.
This morning I’m very super-duper excited about my special guest for many reasons, not only that she’s one of my closest, dearest friends, but also, she and I and Teresa McMillian co-authored our first book, Diaries of a Psychic Sorority: Talking with the Angels. This book was the documentation of our first association, when we began working together, organizing groups of listeners. I would channel, we would record and then transcribe and see what these messages were. This book is the inception of where we are today. All of the amazing scientific theories and worldviews and “neo-science” that has come out of the Einstein work began with Diaries. And even though our work carried on for years, Diaries is the first four months. It has the six master sessions, where the “angels,” as they wanted us to call them, were giving us what they said were “step-by-step instructions for world peace, one person at a time,” starting with us. And then we as individuals were to turn and show the world and influence the world by the work that we had done with ourselves.
If all that isn’t enough, she also has her own book coming out, Second Coming: Awakening the Christ Within, due out this spring. We’ll be talking about that. I’m very excited about seeing where paths cross with Christianity and the Bible and Einstein. As many of you know, Party of 12: The Afterlife Interviews was my next book after Diaries, and Einstein emerged in those conversations, as did Jesus of Nazareth. If you listening and you need to, I have provided a free download at Partyof12.com of the Jesus interview. We’ll be talking about that crossover as well.
But what is one of my most cherished parts of our relationship is that it was Lily and I in the very beginning who provided the platform, the Petri dish, as it were, of conflict with which to apply the new Einsteinian worldview—excuse me, they were angels then, and they stressed to us that they didn’t want us to get hung up on who they were but instead to look at the information they were giving us.
We would hold a master session, sometimes there were 10, sometimes 25 people, record, transcribe and provide those transcripts to the people who had come and listened. That was impetus that eventually became the book.
How we became the guinea pigs for this was, the three of us had started working together. We’d been together for about six months. It was a very exciting, high, magical, synchronistic time. We were all reeling and reveling in everything that we were learning. And then, conflict started to come between us three girls. We put it off for as long as I think we could until the day came when it was so obvious that we were in conflict that we had to deal with it. We met at my house, and I will say very quickly the conversation escalated into a highly emotional situation. I would say there was never anything below the belt, but Lily was looking at me and I was looking at her. “Yes, but you were doing this.” “Yes, but you were doing this.”
It reached a fever pitch where all of us wanted to leave and probably not see each other again when I remembered that the second master session we had just done was called “Conflict Resolution.” I said, “Hey, let’s get the transcript and see what it says.” So I got the transcript, and what we read was,
“If you have a part in a conflict, if you’re engaged in a conflict, the part you want to be concerned about is within you.”
It translated into, “Step back, take a breath, look at your part, and when you come back to table, talk about your part. Not her part.” We cycled around it a little bit after that, but at one particular moment, all three of us had an aha! moment where, swoosh!—we called it—“satori” came in. We all started crying, and immediately we started talking about our part of the conflict. “Yes,” I said, “I need to be more aware of my impact.” Isn’t that a famous rev for me through the years, my impact? Lily said, “I want them to be there for me, but I need to be self-sufficient.” And even Teresa, who was the peace in the middle, said, “We all need to listen more to each other.”
That was the very practical way that we started to take the information and use it to make different decisions in our lives that greatly affected the outcome of the situation and of the conflict. We have worked this process in our own way through the years to where I won’t say I’ll never be triggered again by Lily. She and I in the beginning were the two who fought. We had an email exchange, we’ll talk about it in a minute, where we just kept slamming emails back and forth, until we picked up the phone and started laughing. “Oh, my gosh, what are we doing? Let’s learn from this.”
That piece, that interaction with us in the beginning was a monumental piece to where we have come today. And in Lily’s direction with her new book Second Coming, she has taken the “angels’” information, Einstein, whatever you want to call it, and used it to reassess the Bible, which is a love of hers. But I will let her talk about that, so I’d like to welcome Kimberly Lilith Phelps. Good morning!
Lily: Good morning, Barbara, thanks for having me on your show.
Barbara: I am so excited. We’re here in your beautiful home in Minneapolis. I wanted to start out by asking you to tell us about Second Coming and what inspired you to create this book.
Lily: It’s a very long story, so I’ll be short. I’ve always loved the Bible. For a long time I didn’t fit with religion. When we started doing our work, I kept up reading the Bible, and I started to realize that I was hearing it with new ears. I was hearing the Bible based on the beautiful words that we were being taught by the angels and I was learning about this constant human conflict that we all deal with and realizing that there are places where that shows up in the Bible. They were humans, the people who wrote the Bible. I started to use the work together, and it all superimposes for me now.
In my book I talk about how it’s time for us to participate in the salvation of the world. It’s time for us to stop waiting for one particular person to save us, fix it for us. It’s my belief that when Jesus came the first time, they thought he would save them from their terrible lives. But no, he saved them in their lives. He showed them how to live in their lives with love, with compassion. That saved them within their lives. And that’s where we are right now. We’re at a point where we can awaken to that Christ inside each one of us, and the conflict resolution work helps us do that every day and get ourselves aligned with how we would like to live rather than being constantly embroiled in conflict.
Barbara: The book became an extension of Diaries?
Lily: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I had gotten to the point where any book I read, I would make notes in the margin about what our work had been all those years. I would make notes in the margin about how I was correlating whatever book I was reading had to do with the work the way we learned to change our perception of life and of the world and of conflict and begin to use conflict as a tool instead of something to hide from. I started doing it with everything I read and everything I heard, and then I realized I was doing it with the Bible. It was a natural progression for me ultimately to write this book where I have over a hundred footnotes from the Bible that talk about spirituality and the Bible together, which doesn’t always sound exactly like modern Christianity would say it, but it does seem like Jesus would say it.
Barbara: Having worked on the book, not so much in the editing of it, but in the design of it, and I did read it all for the show but also for one of the last passes of editing, I am not a Bible fan. I left Christianity at 12 years old, when the gardener told my mother he was going out to bury “niggers,” and that was the end of it for me. So to read this book and to see where you have taken these Bible verses, and they are exactly the information that we’ve been talking about. I was fascinated. We’ll talk later about some of the specific verses.
I originally named this interview, “Would Jesus Forgive Hitler?” I wanted to originally talk about Jesus in the Bible versus Jesus in Party of 12 and that interview. And we’ll get into some of that. But what has ensued is a conversation about evil and divinity. In Party of 12, Einstein describes to John Kennedy, Jr., in the introduction how the Party started. He had gone into Afterlife deeply troubled with the fact that during World War II, Adolf Hitler was pushing him off his pacific stance, and out of fear, he decided that instead of all the things he was working on that weren’t working—he was working on world government, on economics—and nothing was able to change the people who were involved in economics and world government. So he thought for a moment maybe the idea was to get such big weapons that you could threaten the other people to back down. That’s when he wrote to Roosevelt, urging him to develop nuclear weapons.
We know the rest of the story. Japan was the victim, and he left the planet in 1955 feeling as if he had been part of evil in the world, even though his intention was so good. He came into Afterlife worried that he had just given the world its excuse to destroy itself. He came upon a jury room, and when he walked in, there was a dark figure obviously tortured. There was a man taking notes. And there was a man standing over the tortured figure, putting his hands on him, talking with compassion and love. This turned out to be Jesus administering to Hitler while Sigmund Freud was talking notes. That was the beginning of the Party.
[So] I called the question, “Would Jesus Forgive Hitler?” because you, Lily, and I have had conversations about how Christianity wouldn’t, that many people who call themselves Christians wouldn’t sanction the forgiving of Hitler. This is a very difficult question, and we’ll bring it into present time as well. But you believe Jesus would forgive Hitler, of course?
Lily: I do. And it has to be “of course,” because over and over in the Bible we’re told that no matter what, God’s grace is there and God will forgive us. Barbara and I have been talking this morning about the spectrum of good and evil, divine and evil, and that in order for Jesus to be who he is, to be that icon of good, it is his nature, then, to forgive. It is what God does, because of who God is, not because of who each person is. It only makes sense, and I don’t know how God forgives people. I have a human ego, I have trouble forgiving sometimes. But I have faith in God and in the idea that even Hitler—God will figure that out. God will find a way to forgive each of us if we go to God and want to be forgiven.
Barbara: In keeping with what you were saying about forgiveness and that Jesus didn’t come here to save us by dying on the cross, he came here to inspire us by being the example so that we could then awaken within—his forgiveness of such extreme evil was not even about saving Hitler. Because Hitler—and if you go on to read Party of 12, he says he’s working with the spirits of all the people who were his victims on forgiveness, which ultimately would be his own self-forgiveness. Jesus was not forgiving him so he could be off scott-free, he was doing it because that’s what he does to maintain his divinity, in that sense.
We were talking also about how Hitler and Jesus, according to the information in Party of 12, represent the opposite ends of the spectrum of what is potential in humans. We all have the potential, every human mechanism, to make freewill choices that will either get us to be Hitler or get us to be Jesus. The truth is, we’re all somewhere in the middle. We’re all somewhere, for the most part, people we know. The idea, I think, as we talk here, is that we move towards the Jesus spectrum to the best of our ability because that will affect the manifestation of what will happen around us. The truth is, there is a spectrum that we have the potential to become as evil as Hitler.
Lily: And that’s where choice comes in. That’s what makes choice so important in this life that we live. And in order to have a choice, there has to be good and evil. If there’s only good, there is no choice. The way this is all set up, it’s for us to come here, divine spirit in a human body, a physical vehicle, and experience that conflict. The root conflict is that you take divine spirit and infinity and you put it in this physical, heavy, tired, worrisome bodies and it kind of makes a mess all over the place.
But that’s why we’re here. That’s not what’s wrong. And that’s not because we’re bad. That’s why we’re here. We’re here to have this experience in physical bodies because we don’t have it when we’re not wearing physical bodies.
What we’re learning as we work our way through conflict and as every single day we make choices—“Will I be on the peaceful side, the loving side, the divinity and compassion side? Or will I choose evil?” As Einstein says, “Will I choose what’s best for the one or the few or what’s best for the many?” We all do this all day long. It’s the work of our lives. When Christianity makes us sinners because of this, I think that defeats the purpose for why we’re here, because we are here to do this. We are here to reconcile.
Barbara: So you think we’re here to actually face conflict?
Lily: I do. And there are other things of course. There are wonderful other things we do. But yes, I do believe that. I didn’t in the beginning. I didn’t even understand it, and I was the conflict avoidance queen. Fighting with Barbara in the beginning was torturous for me. I wasn’t a fighter. But I learned how valuable it is have us to own our own inner conflict, and then we can heal it. Until we own it, we can’t fix it. If it’s not yours, you can’t fix it.
Through my exchange with Barbara, I learned how important conflict is and how to stop avoiding it and hiding it and stuffing it down and denying it, which is what we all do as human beings, until we learn not to. And I learned to start to heal and appreciate those opportunities for healing. Every time we make that divine choice, we keep ourselves on that end of the spectrum.
Barbara: There was a Bible verse in your book that I did not even understand until you and I talked about it. The Bible is very tough for me. I get a headache trying to figure it out. So it was really helpful to talk about this verse, because I didn’t understand the implications of it.
Another thing I wanted to say about that is that Einstein is the perfect example of why this is so amorphous and not clear-cut. A person is not either evil or good. Here he was, I think he thought he was making decisions for the good of the whole when he urged Roosevelt to develop the nuclear weapon. But when they used it on Japan and hundreds of thousands of people were killed, he was not only heartbroken, but he went into Afterlife with the question, “Am I evil? I have worked so hard in my life for peace, to bring world peace, and yet look what I just did. Does this make me evil?”
Lily: And that brings us to something we did in our early work together. We were told to write this note on a Post-It, metaphorically, and stick it on our foreheads so we could not forget. “I am divine. I am also human. And I hold the key.” That’s the whole point of all of this. We are those things. We make mistakes, we fall down, every single one of us every day. The more we can learn to forgive ourselves and each other, the more we are choosing the divine side.
I’d like to read the Bible passage that Barbara was talking about and a couple of paragraphs about my realization of what this means. This was a huge breakthrough for me. The scripture says [Luke 14:26],
“If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother and wife and children and brethren and sisters, and yes, his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
Initially I was told that the first part of this verse meant that we should hate and push away our own family if we weren’t Christian enough. I never understood how Jesus, who taught that love was the answer, would encourage hate of any kind, much less hatred of our family and even our own lives.
Then one day I was struck by a new truth. If you read the verse again and consider this possibility, I think you’ll see. Jesus is not saying that we should hate our family and our lives, he is saying that we do. He is also saying that he can show us how to heal so that we can turn from hate to love.
Jesus is saying that we must first acknowledge that we sometimes hate even the people we love the most. In order to heal, we need to take responsibility for the things we do that cause hatred to arise. We need to own it, bear our own cross, and then release it to the divine. When we don’t accept personal responsibility, we come to Christ pretending that we are already whole, and we say things like, “I don’t hate my own life, and I would never hate anyone.”
Until we learn to accept our judgments, learn from them, forgive ourselves and others, and let it go, we are not as prepared for discipleship as we think we are. In fact, we are inhibiting our own healing by the façade we wear, and Christ knows he can’t move forward with us until we accept this and come before him in truth and humility.
Barbara: That was very profound in our conversation about it. It parallels Conflict REVOLUTION in that we look outside ourselves—“My mother-in-law hates me”—to bringing it back in to where we can accept and admit and embrace the truth that maybe we hate ourselves, maybe we can’t forgive ourselves, and then we can work on it in that inner place where the Christ consciousness and the divinity are working with us.
Lily: I can sum up one of the biggest lessons in my life. I spent so much of my life wondering, “Why don’t they treat me like I want to be treated? Why don’t people treat me well?” And finally I got it turns around: “Why don’t I treat me the way I want to be treated?” And I didn’t know how yet.
Barbara: Let’s talk about forgiveness. We’re working our way to bring in the Trigger of Trump. It’s a tough conversation here. Not that Lily is a Trump supporter, but she is a self-declared Republican, and I’m a former Democrat, and we have had political conversations in the past. But the idea of Trump and the administration and the evil, the decisions for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many—especially environmentally—make these times very confusing for those of us who are spiritual seekers, for those of us who want to make a difference in the world.
Einstein, when he was alive, was trying to work in the arena where the conflicts were being created. He was getting nowhere. There wasn’t going to be a world government. Humans weren’t going to rise up and form economic coalitions that were all about world peace. I believe that when he got into Afterlife he realized that the place he had to work was within each individual. World peace, one person at a time, starting with the self. So what is forgiveness about?
Lily: The first thing that comes to my mind when I think about forgiveness or when I’m talking to someone who needs help about forgiveness is that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. It may or may not have anything to do with the other person. It doesn’t mean that what the other person did was OK. It means that what they did is their job in life. That’s their healing work. What I do in my life is my job. I owe it to myself to work toward forgiveness so that I can let it go, so I can heal my life and not be burdened forever by what someone else did, meaning to or not meaning to. I’ve been hurt by people and found out they didn’t even know I was hurt. We hold this stuff.
I would say the first thing to remember is that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. That’s what I love so much about the work we do. A lot of people are burdened well after the person who hurt them has died and gone, and they think they can never resolve that inner conflict and that pain because they can’t talk to the person, they can’t get the person to say the right words or do the right things. You can do this work all by yourself. You do this work all by yourself. You don’t have to have the person who has gone on in their life or who has died come back and help you resolve your conflict. You can resolve your conflict yourself.
When we start talking about this idea of forgiving Trump, I keep saying I’m in charge of me. I will find the projects that fill my heart and soul and I will give my time and resources to those projects. I will stand up and say I don’t agree with this, but I don’t want to spend my life, the next four years, upset. I want to spend my life giving toward the things that I believe are valuable. That’s how I’ve been viewing what’s going on in the world right now.
Barbara: Maybe forgiving Trump is not really the question. In Conflict REVOLUTION, if I’m triggered by Trump, I create that sound bite of how to encapsulate his actions, turn it to me, and use it as a metaphor and an archetype to find out where in my life I’m doing those things. Like with Scott Walker —Trump is sort of a super-sized Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin, who did the same thing to the state. The first time I did the revolution of Walker, which was very hard, because clearly he’s an evil man, look at what he’s doing! But when I created the sound bite of, “he’s doing something illegal.” What does illegal mean? It means it has to be hidden, and if it came out, there would be consequences.
I brought that into myself. I found a situation that had happened years before—because I don’t do illegal things. I don’t break the law. But when I put it as an archetypical metaphor, I had to look at the situation with an artist who was going to let me use her photo for my book cover, and one thing led to another and a lot of confusion happened, and I did some things that really, if they had come out, I would have had to have consequences.
I immediately wrote her and told her what had happened, and I had to forgive myself. I was so ashamed. So here I am, in my world I’m working on what I think I’m feeling with Scott Walker, and suddenly it’s two years before, an incident I didn’t even remember I had done at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few. I had to not only feel and breathe my shame, change my thinking, but I then had to take action. I had to take an action that would amend the situation, and this particular situation, because this woman still was my friend.
But clearly forgiveness, I think we both agree, about your own relationship to yourself that gives you an inner peace so you don’t have to spend your whole life in resentment. That’s what for me the Trigger of Trump in the last Re-boot was, that I was not triggered by the horrible things that they’re doing. Maybe it’s that I have been through Wisconsin and I’ve worked through a lot of this externalizing of it. But for me it was the people who were giving Obama a pass when he did the very same things that Trump is doing. I had to examine, how am I those people? Long story short, it came out with my reticence and my insecurity about bringing this information forward and saying it was Einstein and standing up and taking it forward.
With Trump, he and the administration or the people, the alt-right people, fall somewhere on the spectrum. There aren’t any easy answers for how we’re going to approach this situation.
Lily: Because I’m dealing with people in my life, I’ve said from day one, “Yes, he’s an arrogant ass,” forgive my language. He’s a lot of things. He’s also a brilliant man. But I’m dealing with people in my life who are so angry at what has happened and the fact that he was elected and he’s arrogant and he’s perceived as a bully. They’re acting exactly like him in their own lives. Again, forgiveness doesn’t make him right. It doesn’t have that much to do with the other person. But to treat your own friends and family the same way this bully is treating other people and that’s why you’re so angry, he’s the excuse you have to do it in your own life? There’s your choice today to put you on the end of the spectrum that you don’t want to be on, and you don’t even see it.
It’s just like Einstein. He thought he was doing the right thing, and then it turned out that it killed a lot of people and he felt really badly. This is what we do in this life, those constant daily choices, over and over and over again, doing the best you can to choose life.
Barbara: In that same vein, when he was elected, I immediately knew I had to go into a loving stance, otherwise it was going to kill me. After three years of Scott Walker and fighting in the arena in which the conflict was talking place, I was sick, exhausted, hopeless. We talked on the last show about the cycle of hopelessness. I didn’t even know there was one, but I’d lost all hope. I’d become apathetic. That’s not good for me. That doesn’t make me an effective change agent in what we’re facing.
But when I started to put forth the idea that we need to find the people who voted for Trump who were looking for a change—who were given bad choices anyway (both choices kind of sucked) so they picked one—and educate, reach out, find the common ground. I was shocked at how many “liberal Democrats” got on my case. “No! Are you kidding? We’re not going to normalize this!” And they blocked me on Facebook, my friends who I’d stood side by side with in Wisconsin blocked me for suggesting that we call upon love.
That gave me the clue that there was a big change going on, and I’m not really sure what is the definitive answer to how to face this apparent fascist takeover of our government that could have the potential to escalate into a Nazi Germany.
Lily: And how we do that is, we remember who we are, what we believe we’re made of. They can’t make you be mean to each other. I’m dealing with this issue with my children. I said to my son just yesterday, “OK, he’s a bully. You’re not. Make your choices every single day that align you with divinity, with the spirit of good and compassion.”
We are way many more than just the people in Washington. If Bernie Sanders didn’t show us that, this grassroots movement of people who said, “We’re going to do this, take care of ourselves, get involved.” That’s all we have to do every single day, make our choices, not shrink and hide, make sure that we’re making the best decisions we can in love. I’m seeing random acts of kindness erupt all over the place.
Barbara: I agree. There’s a lot of amazing stuff that is exciting to me. I’m hesitant to say it in my social media forum sometimes, because I don’t want to get blasted by my progressive liberal friends, but the whole awakening of the consciousness, the women’s march, the protests at the airport. I came in from Jamaica and here was the airport filled with people screaming at the top of their lungs to stand in support of that love. There are so many great awakenings that are coming from this.
I wanted to bring in the example, too, of the Standing Rock Sioux and the Lakota-Nakota-Dakota Nation. I was fortunate to be at Standing Rock on a few occasions, and the power of prayer that was demonstrated by these people was like nothing I’d ever experience. The day they gave back the possessions of the people they had wrongly arrested, the police just threw them in plastic bags. Chief Looking Horse forgave them, prayed the Morton County police. We did a huge ceremony of the four directions. I was transported into this place.
I bring this up because they, of course, look seven generations out. Their actions today are reflective of how they will impact seven generations. In keeping with that, I also think that our actions should also reflect an understanding of seven generations. In my world, that can be reincarnation. Allegedly, according to Jesus in Party of 12, he reincarnated 27 times as Jesus of Nazareth in the same DNA space-time body at the same time, but he made different choices and did different things. So 27 generations? Or in whatever year seven generations out from now will be, will I reincarnate? What will I bring in that next life? Will I bring a greater understanding? Or will I struggle, he said-she said, good-evil, back-and-forth, not really transcendent?
I think Conflict REVOLUTION and Einstein, from his deeply passionate place in Afterlife, after his very intense life, has brought us this knowledge and this formula for how to become that change.
Lily: Would Albert have brought this work back into the world from Afterlife had he not made the decision he made about encouraging Roosevelt to build the bomb and all those people died? I’ve never thought of it that way until just now. Had he not made that decision in fear—we have to admit that’s fear-based: he went into his fear, he made this choice, he influenced something in the world that he was then dreadfully sorry for and had to forgive in his own life. Part of his forgiveness of himself I think is what he’s sending to the planet now.
Barbara: And that makes me tear up. In going back to the beginning of describing the minutiae of how we took the information from a channeling session on January 26, 1994, read it while we were having a fight, and instantly saw how making that different choice brought not only a different direction for us, but in that moment, I couldn’t have loved you two any more. It was so much love to sit down and say, “I hate my friend!” Theoretically, to say, “OK, I’ve been being crappy to my friends. I didn’t realize that.”
If we hadn’t had that conflict, I never would have—so that moment, that moment was a victory for Albert Einstein. It’s a personal one. We always said after the fact we felt like the angels had filled up the dining room and were watching and all applauding.
Lily: I wish we could help you understand what happened that day. Just talking about it, just reading the words on the page of what we went through on that day, does not capture it. Something happened in that moment, what’s the word? Alchemy. Turning lead into gold. It got us from, “I hate you, it’s all your fault!” to “Oh, my God, I can see what I’m doing, and I love you because you showed it to me. I love you because now I see it in myself and now I can heal it! Thank you.”
Barbara: Imagine, in the big seven generations of Albert Einstein, in that moment of seeing the process that he figured out—we have to change each individual, we have to require each individual to change themselves one step at a time, to watch it in action, to watch the success. I guess I never looked at it that way until this moment. It’s overwhelming to realize that we were volunteers and were chosen to be in that moment. And from that, everything else has sprung. Wow!
Is there anything else you want to share about your book, your work, your life? I know it’s coming out on Easter.
Lily: It is. April 16, 2017. Amazon.com. Working feverishly on my website right now to get everything to come together at the right time. It will be what it’s meant to be.
I’m grateful for this opportunity to talk to y’all and share this message. It’s up to us. That’s what Jesus said. “Greater things that I’ve done, you will do.” We have to step into that power. He left us all that we needed to know. I talk about that in the book. He left us all we needed to know to do this, and we are reinforced by the work of Einstein and the Party and the angels.
I was thinking a moment ago that A Course in Miracles says something along the lines of, “The holiest place on earth is where an ancient hate has become a present love.”
Lily: This information is universal. We are supported. We are loved. We are encouraged as we go through these experiences that we came here to have. Sometimes it just doesn’t come in a pretty package, but it’s still a gift.
It is February 26, 2017. Here we are in the second part of our telechannel. I am in beautiful Minneapolis with my friend Kimberly Lilith Phelps, and you are all over. Let’s take a moment to close our eyes and take some deep breaths. As you breathe, think about the spectrum of potential that exists within you. Understand that it is not a sin or a fatal flaw or some disruption in the mechanism, but that the human consciousness was specifically designed to create the entire spectrum, from the worst most possible evil to the highest most divine good.
And we will command that only the most divine light shine down upon you at this time and the greatest good be present here.
It is such a pleasure to be here on this glorious day with all of you. Your conversations have so much power. The ideas that you are bringing forth and honoring and articulating are exactly what this world needs to hear right now. Everything that Barbara and Lily have been talking about is accurate and true. This work is being done not just by those of you who are listening, not just by Lily and Barbara, but also by millions of people around the world dedicated to becoming the change. Never before have there been this many people living on the planet with that awakening consciousness within them.
And indeed, it is the Christ consciousness that is making itself known to be human, humans, shall we say. Jesus, who always has been a very integral part of the Party of 12, comes again to illustrate and demonstrate through humans the idea of being human and being divine. His life on earth in the physical body was a demonstration of what is possible for any human.
This time on the planet, 2017, is like no other time that comes before it. When Jesus walked the earth during that time period and the development of the human mind and the human intellect was at a certain level of consciousness, he was dealing with an entirely different set of intellects and intelligences and human consciousness.
The New Operating System
Today (and all of you who are listening to this are included in this) this is, in fact, a new human. You are all embodying the new human prototype, and we are so honored and excited to be watching this emerge. We don’t want to talk too much about your political system. We don’t want to focus on any one individual who represents evil to you.
Because if you look at humans, there are those who support the person that you think might be doing the evil, who perceive others as actually being the ones who doing the evil. So there are those who truly perceive that the individuals in the Middle East who are known as ISIS, who are truly doing evil things, are the ones you as humans need protection from. And so much like Einstein, who urged Roosevelt to develop nuclear weapons and then watched as it destroyed humans, there are people on the planet who are looking in that way, who are seeing true evil but taking actions that are not addressing their own safety.
So it doesn’t matter which evil you put in front to address, whether it’s ISIS, Trump, Hitler, any number of world leaders who have been tyrants, who have destroyed lives and killed people. That doesn’t matter. What matters most is that each individual can look at those others whom they perceive as doing this evil and understand the true nature of what is going on. This is a spectrum where you yourselves must choose.
Saying No to Compassion
The idea of being able to say no to the voice of God is an important piece of your structure. God can come to you in the way of Intuition and tell you, “Rest your body,” and you can say no and make decisions that push you forward into making decisions for the good of the few—the ego that wants to be in charge—at the expense of a many.
Your Intuition, your Emotion, your Witness, and your Body are innate characteristics of being human. Now is the time when humans are arising to this truth and making the conscious choice to be the one who is going to make decisions for the good of the whole, starting with the self. Even though at this juncture in our experimentation we cannot guarantee anything, we can tell you that if you start with this basis inside yourself, where you are going to be ruled by an alignment to Compassion—guided by the voice of Intuition (which is the voice of the compassionate God within you), training the Intellect to do the bidding of the Intuition—then you will create a groundwork and be able to plant seeds in that energy of your own self that will grow to be the divine world that you’re seeking to create—where:
… The manifestation of the divine is on the forefront and where the spectrum of evil to divine gets unified into a spectrum of decisions guided by Intuition.
The Voice of Intuition
Oftentimes, because Intuition will impel you to take an action that may not logically impact the situation like you want it to, nonetheless, Intuition has a much broader amount of information given to it by the Observer out in the heavens, which is sending all the information of what’s happening in the Lens back to the Source, coming up your gravitational wave, being a part of your Intuition. It knows a much, much bigger picture than your Intellect will ever know. And even if you have a visionary Intellect like Barbara does, where you can see pictures of the future, your Intuition supersedes any intellectual power.
So to live by this system is what sets you up to manifest that greatest good on the planet.
The more that you can remove your own descriptions of how the future should unfold—what you want to see happen to unfold, what you think is good and divine that should unfold, what you judge is evil that shouldn’t be happening—your Intuition always, always will tell you the next step for the good of the whole. Your Intellect cannot. Your Intellect, however, must be the one that makes the conscious choice to listen to the Intuition and then make the decision to implement that step into action.
Einstein and the Bomb
In that sense, if we go back to Einstein making the decision to urge Roosevelt to create the atom bomb that then killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese people, he was following his Intuition based upon the circumstances of the times that he was in. He wasn’t conscious of looking seven generations. He thought he was taking action to protect the seven generations. He wasn’t aware that his fear-based decision-making would have such an influence as it did. And yet, in the greater, bigger, bigger, bigger picture of things, in the lifelong history of the planet earth to emerge humans onto the gardens, he was playing his part.
In that time, there could not have been another choice for him. There was no other choice for him to make in that time. Quite ironically, perhaps, had he not pushed this forward, had the U.S. not developed the nuclear weapon, it very well could have been that Germany had, and other massive damage was done, not to Japan, but perhaps to the U.S. In that sense, he would not have felt a personal responsibility that would drive him in Afterlife to the utmost end.
Oftentimes humans who have terrible things happen to them, whether they choose to do it—someone who chooses to murder someone—or whether it’s done to them—someone is murdered or some other evil act takes place—each has an impact that can be leading to the spectrum of divinity. It’s doesn’t guarantee it. It’s not a given. But when the murderer has perpetrated this act, if you look past it, there is a cooperative dance with the soul of the one who was murdered. Maybe you can’t see all other lives where they murdered each other back and forth. It doesn’t make it any less evil on a spectrum. But every act gives that human the opportunity to then rise above and transcend the spectrum.
Rather than having a left and right spectrum, where over here on the left is the evil and over here on the right is the divine, we want to switch it to where it’s up and down. On the most primal human physical world in the Lens, that is where evil is most likely to be manifest. And “up” in the divine, in the non-physical, in the whole system, in understanding your whole system, that is the divine, where you are living in the consciousness of God. Understanding your whole entire system, not just the Lens, not just your physical body, but your spirit, the gravitational wave, the string that spins, the three-pronged human intention, the compilation of consciousness coming out of the void—the whole ball of wax. That is what divinity is, living in that truth.
And when you are living in that truth, and there’s a part of you that is literally conscious when you’re going over the North Pole and back into the center of the earth, that spinning string, that is when you begin to alignment to Compassion. Because becoming aware and awake and conscious in that part of you that is close to the center of the earth in Emotion, in the part of the wave that is Emotion, by working on bringing that consciousness to life at that point in your entire operating system, you also instantly affect in your physical body your feelings. They’re interrelated: they reflect each other, feelings with a small F, Emotion with a capital E.
This is divinity. This is living in the alignment where Intuition impels Intellect to take action to fulfill the impelling of God that is in you. That is the way. Sometimes Intuition impels, as we say, in ways that you don’t understand with your Intellect. You’ve all had the experience where us think Intuition told you to do something, but then it turned out all verklumpt. It didn’t turn out to be what you think is for the highest good. But that is the challenge. You cannot judge what [outcome] is for the highest good.
The Trigger of Trump
So in the political arena, it’s very clear that having the candidate who may appear to be the most supportive of you might have been the least good for the whole. Because people might not have engaged as much as they have, as much as they are, standing up for each other, standing up for themselves. And therein lies the irony and the paradox of this work that we are doing with you, and of course the work of the ages of accepting whatever is happening right in front of you, no matter how evil it looks, as divine. Because the very fact that you’re sitting there in a physical body observing whatever’s going on around you is the manifestation of the miraculous power of Compassion and God. It doesn’t matter if you’re sick or fat or making good decisions or living a life of peace.
Just the very fact that your energy has merged with Compassion to create consciousness, and your consciousness has merged with the mathematics in your compilation to create mass and matter is a miracle that will need years and years and years in understanding from science. When you start with that, you also have to understand that the spectrum from evil to divine is a spectrum that exists within the Lens. Evil does not exist outside of the Lens. It is a byproduct of human decision-making. Without your physical body, when the Lens disappears but your string is still spinning with thoughts, feelings, senses, memories, and the hologram of your DNA in a space-time body, you are back to pure divinity, pure perfect creation.
HIGHLIGHT As Lily said, becoming human is about creating a physical space-time DNA body that is the housing of the energy that is married to Compassion that has formed this consciousness that is then married to the map of the physical world that is coming up through the center of the planet and into the Lens, creating the physical body, projecting all of that miraculous information out of the body through your thoughts, feelings, senses, and then revolving and coming back to you so you’re perceiving that universe. That alone is a divine process that cannot be undercut by any decision you make within your human form.
Now, humanity may very well make decisions that destroy the world, but the consciousness remains. The energy doesn’t die. A new world will be born. There will never be an end to creation. It will create in different ways. But right now, our desire is to inspire you to become those gods, to understand the power that you have within yourself, to set your intention to live a life where you are dedicated to making decisions for the good of the whole that start within you and then are projected out naturally into the environment.
Be Your Own Scientist
All of you who have experimented with this so far and changed your lives by using our suggestions and our processes (and others that aren’t labeled as ours), you have experienced you yourself picking up your power and changing your life and seeing how your change within you has affected the manifestation of the physical world around you. You’ve seen people you’ve previously been fighting with, who you thought were doing evil acts against you, shift and transform to where now you have peace with them. Not by going at them, not by trying to make them change, but by realizing that they’re a projection of your inner world. What can you learn from that projection if you’re triggered by it? What gift has that person come to give you if you’re triggered emotionally by it?
So not only do you revolve your focus back and find areas in your life you may not have ever seen if that person had not come to trigger you and be in conflict with you. They led you to Emotion that has abscessed that you may never have known was there. This dance of great cooperation is the very reason you are here.
We feel so optimistic right now. We understand that there is a lot of strife and destruction and evil going on in the Lens of your world right now and you are scared and stressed out. But what we see is a huge awakening. One of the reasons that we know this and that we’re so optimistic is exactly what has been talked about here today.
When we began these experimentations with Teresa and Lily and Barbara, it was a chaotic mess. And there were times when these three women used to call it “blowing themselves up,” when they would not speak to each other. If you just took it at face value, you would think it was a miserable failure. But over time, with each individual doing her own work, they have transformed their relationship, transformed their world together, transformed their individual lives first. Now there is a peace, and on the other side of it is the synergy of creation.
Anything is possible. What are you going to intend to create with this powerful energy that you have within you that’s married to Compassion that then merged that consciousness with the math to create the matter that you are experiencing? This is your creation. You get to work within that framework. What you are going to create, to intend? Take it from us. This is a time of such brilliance and great awakening all across the planet. Do not let yourself be stressed out and dragged down and fooled by what you perceive are those decisions that are being made.
We can tell you what we know and what Einstein has learned: it won’t matter what is happening as far as the evil, such at Hitler did, such as you may perceive Trump or the administration as doing. You cannot change it by going directly at it. For all of Einstein’s consternation about what Hitler was doing and his great devotion for traveling the planet and trying to fix the conflict at the level that it was being created, he did not succeed. He did not succeed in the short-term goal of stopping the Nazi empire from expanding. Part of what happened was an economic force. The economics ran its course with the Nazis. Part of it was a shifting momentum of how war operates. But even though the war ended, it did not end war. So it was a short-term fix, only to have it reemerge today with this global threat.
So don’t feel guilty if you can’t stop this movement by going directly at it. We’re not saying don’t go and march or write to your senator or congressperson or participate in that movement. But do that as an adjunct to this deeper understanding and to this deeper work that you now know how to do.
We are here as advisors. It is a strong purpose that brought together the original Party of 12. Each of those individuals, when they were in their DNA space-time bodies, had a passion for life on earth, for their environment, and their realm of where they were working. Upon losing their bodies, they came together to see if they could make this different, and we are seeing great, enormous success.
We have often said as well that what we are doing is something that is planting seeds. We see the seeds are growing. We are elated to see that the seeds that we have planted in Teresa and Lily and Barbara are growing into the magnificent outcome that we had hoped.
This growth won’t stop. In fact, after their passing, there will be an even bigger movement, and this information is so far ahead of its time that it will only continue to grow. But it is dependent upon you as human beings making decisions, making your commitment to do work for the good of the whole.
Q & A
With all of that said, we would like to open for any questions or conversations you might have.
Q: Hello! Thank you. That was lovely. My question has to do with, sometimes it feels that it takes a lot of time to do a revolution. It isn’t always fast. Some revolutions I’ve been working on I will work on for a year or more. Could you address how to feel more comfortable with that? When we look at the outer world and think things are happening so fast, how can our process where we sometimes have to be very patient with ourselves, with other people, with the process, taking time to dig deeper, how can we feel not like we’re not going to be able to keep up because sometimes the peace process take more time? It isn’t just building a bigger gun or bigger warfare.
A: What’s important to remember is that it is about what you achieve in a day. It’s not about measuring your actions against what you see happen in the news headlines or the latest story from the White House or the suffering and the pain of people around you. It is measured internally.
We did a series once called “World Peace in a Day.” It was reflective of that fact that if your body is the projector and the perceiver of the universe, then you are the world. You have the world inside you. And if at any time in the course of the day in which you’re living you can bring peace within you, that contribution is the seed that is planted. If you’re looking for patience, think of yourself as walking around the garden and sticking the seeds into the fresh spring earth and then standing there and belittling yourself because you don’t have a whole corn plant or your geraniums haven’t bloomed yet! What’s wrong with you? The world is going to hell!
Part of it is a nurturing of the self and instilling in you a repetitive, “Begin again. Begin again. Begin again.” Always begin each day as a brand-new day, and in any day you can’t find peace. [This is] world peace in a day. This is why you’re here, as Lily had said. You’re coming here to tackle all these issues. So even though you’re tackling all these questions, even though you’re feeling the frustration of it, it’s not that you’re doing it wrong. It’s that you’re doing it right because you’re doing it, however you nurture that relationship with yourself each and every day. Then there comes a point of faith, where you have to put your money where you mouth is. If this is what you believe to be the truth, you really have to live that way.
But the bottom line is feeling and breathing, because there are deep embedded abscesses of emotion that are stuck in the center of the earth from years and years and years and centuries and decades and all of this time that has passed where war didn’t stop war, partly because it hasn’t emptied that abscess in the planet.
So you as the whole planet have to keep emptying that abscess. It’s why you’re here.
Our suggestion is, when you get frustrated, give yourself activity alongside of the work you’re doing on yourself, alongside the work you’re doing in the world, to enjoy and appreciate and find a way to love life. Find a way to experience the deep gratitude of love that you have in this physical body—that you’re alive regardless of what’s going on around you—and do things that bring you so much joy, whether it’s an afternoon nap, your dancing, meeting new people, going for a walk in nature—you must make those choices also to find a way to love your life just as it is.
Q: I really like the writings from the Michael entity. There are a bunch of channels who write about the information from the Michael entity, about how people have different soul ages and how you go through different lifetimes, baby, infant, young soul, mature old soul. When I learned about that, it helped me let go and relax and accept people a lot, because I figure people are in their soul stages and it seems to fit. What’s your input on that whole concept?
A: We agree with the concept that there are conditions that you experience as a human being where now you’re in a physical body and you are experiencing the conditions of a young soul. That is, a human being who isn’t really tapped into empirical knowledge that you bring with you into that life. It’s like everything is fresh and new. That can go both ways as well. Just because there’s a young soul doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed that you’re going to be making mistakes or acting like an idiot. There’s freshness about it. And you can certainly superimpose each stage of life to the stage of the condition of your soul.
We feel that at this point there are many, many old souls who have chosen to come together at this time to bring that collective knowledge to the planet to be a synchronistic force of change of the evolution of human consciousness. But there are certainly still fresh souls, new souls, and teenage souls. And being an old soul, again, doesn’t guarantee that it’s all wisdom. There are people who are old in life who struggle with happiness, who are depressed at being at the end of life. There’s no guarantee that any one place on that spectrum will be better or more powerful than the other. It just is clearly a way to delineate sometimes between the conditions that humans are experiencing.
Q: I have another question. I look at life like there are all these souls who have all these chances to come on earth, and as time progresses (I know with the concurrent lives that whole idea of time is, I don’t know, I don’t get that, but …) I see that as time progresses some people who were alive with Hitler, all those people who were incarnated at that time got that experience and learned the lessons of that. And it makes sense to me that we repeat things, there’s some repeating just because souls who needed to learn those lessons and have those same types of experiences have to be able to have a chance to come, and that’s maybe why someone else like Hitler will come, because someone else needs to learn those lessons, too. Does that make sense?
A: Yes. And it is, in fact, the continual cycle of creation that is in play there. For example, those people who died in the Holocaust, because of the way that they died and the way that they lived at the end of their lives, their souls became a collective consciousness of Compassion. The people who perpetrated these things against them, the guards, all of the millions of people in Germany in support of the Final Solution and the Nazis, they, too, became a kind of group consciousness in Afterlife, learning about the impact of their decision-making. You can see a big auditorium filled with a debate, one side and the other, being able to have dialogue with those who died in the death camps, to be able to give them an opportunity to reincarnate and bring that balance.
What you saw was, for example, in 9/11, that many, many of the victims of 9/11 had been part of that group consciousness of the guards and supporters of the Holocaust. This is the nature of reincarnation and the nature of the creation of life. What we’re trying to do is to help end that karmic return so that you as an individual making decisions for the good of the whole and being very conscientious of all of the truth of history. You’re going to contribute to the unification of the human consciousness to where the idea that making decisions for the good of the whole means that if you harm another part of the whole, you’ve just harmed yourself. So now we have to recreate that.
It’s not a perfect science, because you have these billions of physical lives that interacted, came into Afterlife connected, and went back into the next life connected with a flip on things. It’s not a perfect science, but it’s what is going on right now. The more you can do this in your own life, the more you can help bring that unification in the longer term.
In other words, there are people maybe in your youth who were mean to you and hurt you. For you to find forgiveness means that you release that resentment, that attachment from them, that you find a peace within, that you find the reflection and heal your own, and then find love for them. That means you’re free now. You’re no longer doing this dance back and forth together, coming back in and living out these different lives. What will that look like, when humanity reaches that point? Then you have achieved heaven on earth.
Q: I hear energy healers talk about how energy is—some people say it’s speeding up or the earth is rotating faster or there’s getting to be a higher frequency. How is that affecting us physically? What is that about? Is that part of, as we get more enlightened, that happens? Are we achieving this, or is it just part of the progression of life that would happen no matter what we were doing?
A: It is a collective consciousness that is changing, but of course, the collective consciousness is just the product of millions of individual consciousnesses. You are a reflection of that collective consciousness.
But what is speeding up is that you as Cassandra allow your consciousness to become aware of the whole of who you are. So you’re not just in the Lens now, you’re conscious in the three human dimensions on the gravitational wave that is in the non-physical and in the center of the earth. You’re conscious of the part of you out in the heavens that’s observing. You’re conscious of the string that’s spinning down. What’s happening is that in those non-physical parts of the operating system, there isn’t time. Everything moves at the speed of light squared. But when that wave comes up to the surface of the planet and breaks through into the Lens and creates your physical body to be the projector and the perceiver, in that Lens, everything slows down to the speed of light and is separated.
But the more that you as a human, with that body that’s projecting and then perceiving, allow your consciousness to open up and you can be aware of these other places, you are bringing into the Lens a faster speed of light squared that exists all around you outside [the Lens]. So it’s not necessarily destroying the speed of light in the Lens, but it is overlaying the speed of light (M) with the speed of light squared (M2) of the non-physical that exists in the rest of your operating system.
And that whole operating system, when it gets to the Lens, slows down and everything separates and the chair is no longer inside you. That’s true. But also in that is the non-physical. In that, you have feelings, you have thoughts. Those are the non-physical. They exist in the place that’s traveling at the speed of light squared. So it’s a unification of those two worlds.
And it isn’t automatic because you’re human. It isn’t that every human will be consciously experiencing this. Some humans may not be consciously experiencing it. It still might be having an effect on them, making them sick or worry or confused because they don’t really understand what energy does, how energy works. They’re working just in the Lens and so they’re looking for answers that impact just in the Lens.
You as a doctor understand that sometimes people’s emotional state is so disrupted and they have no idea that it’s happening, but their physical body is responding to it. Your job is to not just treat their body, but bring their Intellect and their Intuition and their Emotion into view for that person so that they can begin making different decisions about how they’re going to deal with and release all that energy. It’s a very individual relationship that every human has to this expanding consciousness and this unification of the entire operating system.
Q: So to summarize, it sounds like as we collectively—the collective consciousness—as we evolve, we’re contributing to the speeding up of energy. It sounds like this is happening all over the earth to everyone, because even if people aren’t consciously working on it, it’s affecting them.
Q: But some people will be able to work with it more easily than others, is that right?
A: Yes. Those of you who have trained yourselves to understand what energy is, how it operates, will have a different relationship to it. It’s much like before you went to medical school, long before you became a doctor and didn’t know anything about how the human body operates in conjunction with itself. You went through a learning process, and now you have a whole lot of different ways that you would approach healing a physical ailment than you did before you went to medical school.
It’s the same way with energy. You and everyone who’s listening to this have been studying how energy works, so you’ll have a different relationship to it. When you feel anxiety, it’s more likely that you will choose to get out of your head and start to breathe that anxiety and attach an intellectual description to it that is loving and kind and says, “Here’s this wave of anxiety. I’ll use my breath to move it.” That’s a very evolved way of dealing with this very highly accelerated speed of light squared energy.
Other people don’t have that language, that focus, and they only know that they’re discomforted, so they’ll maybe go to the doctor and the doctor will give them some pills to make them not feel that anxiety. That is a whole other set of repercussions that come up for that individual making those decisions. So yes, you are correct in those assumptions.
Q: This whole idea of energy work is getting more popular, with Healing Touch and acupuncture and all techniques. It’s really exciting. It seems like it’s effective. But I always feel like it’s more of a short-term thing. Is that enough to get some people to where they just keep getting energy treatments? I feel like that’s a really healthy thing to do, but I want to do the other stuff, too. Can you review that?
A: It is as you say, a shorter-term opening. It serves to take some initial steps to get people acquainted with what emotional energy feels like in their bodies and how to adjust it in their body.
But eventually the goal is to have people be so self-aware and so self-monitoring that they not only understand and can feel this Emotional energy, but they understand that the decisions that they make affect how that emotional energy works within their body. The ultimate healing and control takes place within their own mechanism with the expansion of their own understanding of themselves. But in the meantime, those techniques to open up that energy to them are very important and very effective in those stages.
But we don’t think that humans were coming here to be dependent upon someone else or something outside themselves or some action that they take only to deal with Emotion in that way. It’s not meant to be the healthy operating system, that there’s a constant administering from without to deal with that state.
We are going to close the channel at this time and thank all of you who are listening and who have participated in this. This work is so important. We never want to see you underestimate the power of what you have within you. We are here to inspire you and inform you and educate you and sometimes prod you this way and that.
But ultimately you are the divine one. You are the soul seeking to manifest in human form the most divine human possible. You are, in fact, human. You are, in fact, divine. Every decision you make is the key to how you are going to help evolve the planet for the greatest good.