Interview With Kimberly Lilith Phelps
Author of Diaries of a Psychic Sorority:
Talking with the Angels and
Second Coming: Awakening the Christ Within
Barbara: Good morning. It is February 26, 2017. My name is Barbara With, and I am here with the Party of 12 (www.partyof12.com). This is the second in our 2017 series, a 12-part series that I’ve called the Reboot. The idea of this series is that we are in the process of rebooting our operating systems and creating an entirely new way in which we relate to the physical world and ourselves. Here we use our Einsteinian road maps and we become the scientists in our own lives seeking to infuse them with Compassion, which is the fifth fundamental force of the universe and is the source of all creation, including the source of us.
Each month I’m trying to bring a new guest to interview, someone who grasps and understands the Einsteinian maps and ideas but also has a completely different platform from which we can find out where our paths cross. Last week we had Robin Cordova, who was very instrumental in showing us about hope and positive psychology. I learned so much from that. The Einsteinian information, Conflict REVOLUTION, everything we’ve been working with, is meant to augment the rest of our physical lives. It’s meant to augment medical science, psychology, religion, Christianity, even arts.
This morning I’m very super-duper excited about my special guest for many reasons, not only that she’s one of my closest, dearest friends, but also, she and I and Teresa McMillian co-authored our first book, Diaries of a Psychic Sorority: Talking with the Angels. This book was the documentation of our first association, when we began working together, organizing groups of listeners. I would channel, we would record and then transcribe and see what these messages were. This book is the inception of where we are today. All of the amazing scientific theories and worldviews and “neo-science” that has come out of the Einstein work began with Diaries. And even though our work carried on for years, Diaries is the first four months. It has the six master sessions, where the “angels,” as they wanted us to call them, were giving us what they said were “step-by-step instructions for world peace, one person at a time,” starting with us. And then we as individuals were to turn and show the world and influence the world by the work that we had done with ourselves.
If all that isn’t enough, she also has her own book coming out, Second Coming: Awakening the Christ Within, due out this spring. We’ll be talking about that. I’m very excited about seeing where paths cross with Christianity and the Bible and Einstein. As many of you know, Party of 12: The Afterlife Interviews was my next book after Diaries, and Einstein emerged in those conversations, as did Jesus of Nazareth. If you listening and you need to, I have provided a free download at Partyof12.com of the Jesus interview. We’ll be talking about that crossover as well.
But what is one of my most cherished parts of our relationship is that it was Lily and I in the very beginning who provided the platform, the Petri dish, as it were, of conflict with which to apply the new Einsteinian worldview—excuse me, they were angels then, and they stressed to us that they didn’t want us to get hung up on who they were but instead to look at the information they were giving us.
We would hold a master session, sometimes there were 10, sometimes 25 people, record, transcribe and provide those transcripts to the people who had come and listened. That was impetus that eventually became the book.
How we became the guinea pigs for this was, the three of us had started working together. We’d been together for about six months. It was a very exciting, high, magical, synchronistic time. We were all reeling and reveling in everything that we were learning. And then, conflict started to come between us three girls. We put it off for as long as I think we could until the day came when it was so obvious that we were in conflict that we had to deal with it. We met at my house, and I will say very quickly the conversation escalated into a highly emotional situation. I would say there was never anything below the belt, but Lily was looking at me and I was looking at her. “Yes, but you were doing this.” “Yes, but you were doing this.”
It reached a fever pitch where all of us wanted to leave and probably not see each other again when I remembered that the second master session we had just done was called “Conflict Resolution.” I said, “Hey, let’s get the transcript and see what it says.” So I got the transcript, and what we read was,
“If you have a part in a conflict, if you’re engaged in a conflict, the part you want to be concerned about is within you.”
It translated into, “Step back, take a breath, look at your part, and when you come back to table, talk about your part. Not her part.” We cycled around it a little bit after that, but at one particular moment, all three of us had an aha! moment where, swoosh!—we called it—“satori” came in. We all started crying, and immediately we started talking about our part of the conflict. “Yes,” I said, “I need to be more aware of my impact.” Isn’t that a famous rev for me through the years, my impact? Lily said, “I want them to be there for me, but I need to be self-sufficient.” And even Teresa, who was the peace in the middle, said, “We all need to listen more to each other.”
That was the very practical way that we started to take the information and use it to make different decisions in our lives that greatly affected the outcome of the situation and of the conflict. We have worked this process in our own way through the years to where I won’t say I’ll never be triggered again by Lily. She and I in the beginning were the two who fought. We had an email exchange, we’ll talk about it in a minute, where we just kept slamming emails back and forth, until we picked up the phone and started laughing. “Oh, my gosh, what are we doing? Let’s learn from this.”
That piece, that interaction with us in the beginning was a monumental piece to where we have come today. And in Lily’s direction with her new book Second Coming, she has taken the “angels’” information, Einstein, whatever you want to call it, and used it to reassess the Bible, which is a love of hers. But I will let her talk about that, so I’d like to welcome Kimberly Lilith Phelps. Good morning!
Lily: Good morning, Barbara, thanks for having me on your show.
Barbara: I am so excited. We’re here in your beautiful home in Minneapolis. I wanted to start out by asking you to tell us about Second Coming and what inspired you to create this book.
Lily: It’s a very long story, so I’ll be short. I’ve always loved the Bible. For a long time I didn’t fit with religion. When we started doing our work, I kept up reading the Bible, and I started to realize that I was hearing it with new ears. I was hearing the Bible based on the beautiful words that we were being taught by the angels and I was learning about this constant human conflict that we all deal with and realizing that there are places where that shows up in the Bible. They were humans, the people who wrote the Bible. I started to use the work together, and it all superimposes for me now.
In my book I talk about how it’s time for us to participate in the salvation of the world. It’s time for us to stop waiting for one particular person to save us, fix it for us. It’s my belief that when Jesus came the first time, they thought he would save them from their terrible lives. But no, he saved them in their lives. He showed them how to live in their lives with love, with compassion. That saved them within their lives. And that’s where we are right now. We’re at a point where we can awaken to that Christ inside each one of us, and the conflict resolution work helps us do that every day and get ourselves aligned with how we would like to live rather than being constantly embroiled in conflict.
Barbara: The book became an extension of Diaries?
Lily: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I had gotten to the point where any book I read, I would make notes in the margin about what our work had been all those years. I would make notes in the margin about how I was correlating whatever book I was reading had to do with the work the way we learned to change our perception of life and of the world and of conflict and begin to use conflict as a tool instead of something to hide from. I started doing it with everything I read and everything I heard, and then I realized I was doing it with the Bible. It was a natural progression for me ultimately to write this book where I have over a hundred footnotes from the Bible that talk about spirituality and the Bible together, which doesn’t always sound exactly like modern Christianity would say it, but it does seem like Jesus would say it.
Barbara: Having worked on the book, not so much in the editing of it, but in the design of it, and I did read it all for the show but also for one of the last passes of editing, I am not a Bible fan. I left Christianity at 12 years old, when the gardener told my mother he was going out to bury “niggers,” and that was the end of it for me. So to read this book and to see where you have taken these Bible verses, and they are exactly the information that we’ve been talking about. I was fascinated. We’ll talk later about some of the specific verses.
I originally named this interview, “Would Jesus Forgive Hitler?” I wanted to originally talk about Jesus in the Bible versus Jesus in Party of 12 and that interview. And we’ll get into some of that. But what has ensued is a conversation about evil and divinity. In Party of 12, Einstein describes to John Kennedy, Jr., in the introduction how the Party started. He had gone into Afterlife deeply troubled with the fact that during World War II, Adolf Hitler was pushing him off his pacific stance, and out of fear, he decided that instead of all the things he was working on that weren’t working—he was working on world government, on economics—and nothing was able to change the people who were involved in economics and world government. So he thought for a moment maybe the idea was to get such big weapons that you could threaten the other people to back down. That’s when he wrote to Roosevelt, urging him to develop nuclear weapons.
We know the rest of the story. Japan was the victim, and he left the planet in 1955 feeling as if he had been part of evil in the world, even though his intention was so good. He came into Afterlife worried that he had just given the world its excuse to destroy itself. He came upon a jury room, and when he walked in, there was a dark figure obviously tortured. There was a man taking notes. And there was a man standing over the tortured figure, putting his hands on him, talking with compassion and love. This turned out to be Jesus administering to Hitler while Sigmund Freud was talking notes. That was the beginning of the Party.
[So] I called the question, “Would Jesus Forgive Hitler?” because you, Lily, and I have had conversations about how Christianity wouldn’t, that many people who call themselves Christians wouldn’t sanction the forgiving of Hitler. This is a very difficult question, and we’ll bring it into present time as well. But you believe Jesus would forgive Hitler, of course?
Lily: I do. And it has to be “of course,” because over and over in the Bible we’re told that no matter what, God’s grace is there and God will forgive us. Barbara and I have been talking this morning about the spectrum of good and evil, divine and evil, and that in order for Jesus to be who he is, to be that icon of good, it is his nature, then, to forgive. It is what God does, because of who God is, not because of who each person is. It only makes sense, and I don’t know how God forgives people. I have a human ego, I have trouble forgiving sometimes. But I have faith in God and in the idea that even Hitler—God will figure that out. God will find a way to forgive each of us if we go to God and want to be forgiven.
Barbara: In keeping with what you were saying about forgiveness and that Jesus didn’t come here to save us by dying on the cross, he came here to inspire us by being the example so that we could then awaken within—his forgiveness of such extreme evil was not even about saving Hitler. Because Hitler—and if you go on to read Party of 12, he says he’s working with the spirits of all the people who were his victims on forgiveness, which ultimately would be his own self-forgiveness. Jesus was not forgiving him so he could be off scott-free, he was doing it because that’s what he does to maintain his divinity, in that sense.
We were talking also about how Hitler and Jesus, according to the information in Party of 12, represent the opposite ends of the spectrum of what is potential in humans. We all have the potential, every human mechanism, to make freewill choices that will either get us to be Hitler or get us to be Jesus. The truth is, we’re all somewhere in the middle. We’re all somewhere, for the most part, people we know. The idea, I think, as we talk here, is that we move towards the Jesus spectrum to the best of our ability because that will affect the manifestation of what will happen around us. The truth is, there is a spectrum that we have the potential to become as evil as Hitler.
Lily: And that’s where choice comes in. That’s what makes choice so important in this life that we live. And in order to have a choice, there has to be good and evil. If there’s only good, there is no choice. The way this is all set up, it’s for us to come here, divine spirit in a human body, a physical vehicle, and experience that conflict. The root conflict is that you take divine spirit and infinity and you put it in this physical, heavy, tired, worrisome bodies and it kind of makes a mess all over the place.
But that’s why we’re here. That’s not what’s wrong. And that’s not because we’re bad. That’s why we’re here. We’re here to have this experience in physical bodies because we don’t have it when we’re not wearing physical bodies.
What we’re learning as we work our way through conflict and as every single day we make choices—“Will I be on the peaceful side, the loving side, the divinity and compassion side? Or will I choose evil?” As Einstein says, “Will I choose what’s best for the one or the few or what’s best for the many?” We all do this all day long. It’s the work of our lives. When Christianity makes us sinners because of this, I think that defeats the purpose for why we’re here, because we are here to do this. We are here to reconcile.
Barbara: So you think we’re here to actually face conflict?
Lily: I do. And there are other things of course. There are wonderful other things we do. But yes, I do believe that. I didn’t in the beginning. I didn’t even understand it, and I was the conflict avoidance queen. Fighting with Barbara in the beginning was torturous for me. I wasn’t a fighter. But I learned how valuable it is have us to own our own inner conflict, and then we can heal it. Until we own it, we can’t fix it. If it’s not yours, you can’t fix it.
Through my exchange with Barbara, I learned how important conflict is and how to stop avoiding it and hiding it and stuffing it down and denying it, which is what we all do as human beings, until we learn not to. And I learned to start to heal and appreciate those opportunities for healing. Every time we make that divine choice, we keep ourselves on that end of the spectrum.
Barbara: There was a Bible verse in your book that I did not even understand until you and I talked about it. The Bible is very tough for me. I get a headache trying to figure it out. So it was really helpful to talk about this verse, because I didn’t understand the implications of it.
Another thing I wanted to say about that is that Einstein is the perfect example of why this is so amorphous and not clear-cut. A person is not either evil or good. Here he was, I think he thought he was making decisions for the good of the whole when he urged Roosevelt to develop the nuclear weapon. But when they used it on Japan and hundreds of thousands of people were killed, he was not only heartbroken, but he went into Afterlife with the question, “Am I evil? I have worked so hard in my life for peace, to bring world peace, and yet look what I just did. Does this make me evil?”
Lily: And that brings us to something we did in our early work together. We were told to write this note on a Post-It, metaphorically, and stick it on our foreheads so we could not forget. “I am divine. I am also human. And I hold the key.” That’s the whole point of all of this. We are those things. We make mistakes, we fall down, every single one of us every day. The more we can learn to forgive ourselves and each other, the more we are choosing the divine side.
I’d like to read the Bible passage that Barbara was talking about and a couple of paragraphs about my realization of what this means. This was a huge breakthrough for me. The scripture says [Luke 14:26],
“If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother and wife and children and brethren and sisters, and yes, his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
Initially I was told that the first part of this verse meant that we should hate and push away our own family if we weren’t Christian enough. I never understood how Jesus, who taught that love was the answer, would encourage hate of any kind, much less hatred of our family and even our own lives.
Then one day I was struck by a new truth. If you read the verse again and consider this possibility, I think you’ll see. Jesus is not saying that we should hate our family and our lives, he is saying that we do. He is also saying that he can show us how to heal so that we can turn from hate to love.
Jesus is saying that we must first acknowledge that we sometimes hate even the people we love the most. In order to heal, we need to take responsibility for the things we do that cause hatred to arise. We need to own it, bear our own cross, and then release it to the divine. When we don’t accept personal responsibility, we come to Christ pretending that we are already whole, and we say things like, “I don’t hate my own life, and I would never hate anyone.”
Until we learn to accept our judgments, learn from them, forgive ourselves and others, and let it go, we are not as prepared for discipleship as we think we are. In fact, we are inhibiting our own healing by the façade we wear, and Christ knows he can’t move forward with us until we accept this and come before him in truth and humility.
Barbara: That was very profound in our conversation about it. It parallels Conflict REVOLUTION in that we look outside ourselves—“My mother-in-law hates me”—to bringing it back in to where we can accept and admit and embrace the truth that maybe we hate ourselves, maybe we can’t forgive ourselves, and then we can work on it in that inner place where the Christ consciousness and the divinity are working with us.
Lily: I can sum up one of the biggest lessons in my life. I spent so much of my life wondering, “Why don’t they treat me like I want to be treated? Why don’t people treat me well?” And finally I got it turns around: “Why don’t I treat me the way I want to be treated?” And I didn’t know how yet.
Barbara: Let’s talk about forgiveness. We’re working our way to bring in the Trigger of Trump. It’s a tough conversation here. Not that Lily is a Trump supporter, but she is a self-declared Republican, and I’m a former Democrat, and we have had political conversations in the past. But the idea of Trump and the administration and the evil, the decisions for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many—especially environmentally—make these times very confusing for those of us who are spiritual seekers, for those of us who want to make a difference in the world.
Einstein, when he was alive, was trying to work in the arena where the conflicts were being created. He was getting nowhere. There wasn’t going to be a world government. Humans weren’t going to rise up and form economic coalitions that were all about world peace. I believe that when he got into Afterlife he realized that the place he had to work was within each individual. World peace, one person at a time, starting with the self. So what is forgiveness about?
Lily: The first thing that comes to my mind when I think about forgiveness or when I’m talking to someone who needs help about forgiveness is that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. It may or may not have anything to do with the other person. It doesn’t mean that what the other person did was OK. It means that what they did is their job in life. That’s their healing work. What I do in my life is my job. I owe it to myself to work toward forgiveness so that I can let it go, so I can heal my life and not be burdened forever by what someone else did, meaning to or not meaning to. I’ve been hurt by people and found out they didn’t even know I was hurt. We hold this stuff.
I would say the first thing to remember is that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. That’s what I love so much about the work we do. A lot of people are burdened well after the person who hurt them has died and gone, and they think they can never resolve that inner conflict and that pain because they can’t talk to the person, they can’t get the person to say the right words or do the right things. You can do this work all by yourself. You do this work all by yourself. You don’t have to have the person who has gone on in their life or who has died come back and help you resolve your conflict. You can resolve your conflict yourself.
When we start talking about this idea of forgiving Trump, I keep saying I’m in charge of me. I will find the projects that fill my heart and soul and I will give my time and resources to those projects. I will stand up and say I don’t agree with this, but I don’t want to spend my life, the next four years, upset. I want to spend my life giving toward the things that I believe are valuable. That’s how I’ve been viewing what’s going on in the world right now.
Barbara: Maybe forgiving Trump is not really the question. In Conflict REVOLUTION, if I’m triggered by Trump, I create that sound bite of how to encapsulate his actions, turn it to me, and use it as a metaphor and an archetype to find out where in my life I’m doing those things. Like with Scott Walker —Trump is sort of a super-sized Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin, who did the same thing to the state. The first time I did the revolution of Walker, which was very hard, because clearly he’s an evil man, look at what he’s doing! But when I created the sound bite of, “he’s doing something illegal.” What does illegal mean? It means it has to be hidden, and if it came out, there would be consequences.
I brought that into myself. I found a situation that had happened years before—because I don’t do illegal things. I don’t break the law. But when I put it as an archetypical metaphor, I had to look at the situation with an artist who was going to let me use her photo for my book cover, and one thing led to another and a lot of confusion happened, and I did some things that really, if they had come out, I would have had to have consequences.
I immediately wrote her and told her what had happened, and I had to forgive myself. I was so ashamed. So here I am, in my world I’m working on what I think I’m feeling with Scott Walker, and suddenly it’s two years before, an incident I didn’t even remember I had done at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few. I had to not only feel and breathe my shame, change my thinking, but I then had to take action. I had to take an action that would amend the situation, and this particular situation, because this woman still was my friend.
But clearly forgiveness, I think we both agree, about your own relationship to yourself that gives you an inner peace so you don’t have to spend your whole life in resentment. That’s what for me the Trigger of Trump in the last Re-boot was, that I was not triggered by the horrible things that they’re doing. Maybe it’s that I have been through Wisconsin and I’ve worked through a lot of this externalizing of it. But for me it was the people who were giving Obama a pass when he did the very same things that Trump is doing. I had to examine, how am I those people? Long story short, it came out with my reticence and my insecurity about bringing this information forward and saying it was Einstein and standing up and taking it forward.
With Trump, he and the administration or the people, the alt-right people, fall somewhere on the spectrum. There aren’t any easy answers for how we’re going to approach this situation.
Lily: Because I’m dealing with people in my life, I’ve said from day one, “Yes, he’s an arrogant ass,” forgive my language. He’s a lot of things. He’s also a brilliant man. But I’m dealing with people in my life who are so angry at what has happened and the fact that he was elected and he’s arrogant and he’s perceived as a bully. They’re acting exactly like him in their own lives. Again, forgiveness doesn’t make him right. It doesn’t have that much to do with the other person. But to treat your own friends and family the same way this bully is treating other people and that’s why you’re so angry, he’s the excuse you have to do it in your own life? There’s your choice today to put you on the end of the spectrum that you don’t want to be on, and you don’t even see it.
It’s just like Einstein. He thought he was doing the right thing, and then it turned out that it killed a lot of people and he felt really badly. This is what we do in this life, those constant daily choices, over and over and over again, doing the best you can to choose life.
Barbara: In that same vein, when he was elected, I immediately knew I had to go into a loving stance, otherwise it was going to kill me. After three years of Scott Walker and fighting in the arena in which the conflict was talking place, I was sick, exhausted, hopeless. We talked on the last show about the cycle of hopelessness. I didn’t even know there was one, but I’d lost all hope. I’d become apathetic. That’s not good for me. That doesn’t make me an effective change agent in what we’re facing.
But when I started to put forth the idea that we need to find the people who voted for Trump who were looking for a change—who were given bad choices anyway (both choices kind of sucked) so they picked one—and educate, reach out, find the common ground. I was shocked at how many “liberal Democrats” got on my case. “No! Are you kidding? We’re not going to normalize this!” And they blocked me on Facebook, my friends who I’d stood side by side with in Wisconsin blocked me for suggesting that we call upon love.
That gave me the clue that there was a big change going on, and I’m not really sure what is the definitive answer to how to face this apparent fascist takeover of our government that could have the potential to escalate into a Nazi Germany.
Lily: And how we do that is, we remember who we are, what we believe we’re made of. They can’t make you be mean to each other. I’m dealing with this issue with my children. I said to my son just yesterday, “OK, he’s a bully. You’re not. Make your choices every single day that align you with divinity, with the spirit of good and compassion.”
We are way many more than just the people in Washington. If Bernie Sanders didn’t show us that, this grassroots movement of people who said, “We’re going to do this, take care of ourselves, get involved.” That’s all we have to do every single day, make our choices, not shrink and hide, make sure that we’re making the best decisions we can in love. I’m seeing random acts of kindness erupt all over the place.
Barbara: I agree. There’s a lot of amazing stuff that is exciting to me. I’m hesitant to say it in my social media forum sometimes, because I don’t want to get blasted by my progressive liberal friends, but the whole awakening of the consciousness, the women’s march, the protests at the airport. I came in from Jamaica and here was the airport filled with people screaming at the top of their lungs to stand in support of that love. There are so many great awakenings that are coming from this.
I wanted to bring in the example, too, of the Standing Rock Sioux and the Lakota-Nakota-Dakota Nation. I was fortunate to be at Standing Rock on a few occasions, and the power of prayer that was demonstrated by these people was like nothing I’d ever experience. The day they gave back the possessions of the people they had wrongly arrested, the police just threw them in plastic bags. Chief Looking Horse forgave them, prayed the Morton County police. We did a huge ceremony of the four directions. I was transported into this place.
I bring this up because they, of course, look seven generations out. Their actions today are reflective of how they will impact seven generations. In keeping with that, I also think that our actions should also reflect an understanding of seven generations. In my world, that can be reincarnation. Allegedly, according to Jesus in Party of 12, he reincarnated 27 times as Jesus of Nazareth in the same DNA space-time body at the same time, but he made different choices and did different things. So 27 generations? Or in whatever year seven generations out from now will be, will I reincarnate? What will I bring in that next life? Will I bring a greater understanding? Or will I struggle, he said-she said, good-evil, back-and-forth, not really transcendent?
I think Conflict REVOLUTION and Einstein, from his deeply passionate place in Afterlife, after his very intense life, has brought us this knowledge and this formula for how to become that change.
Lily: Would Albert have brought this work back into the world from Afterlife had he not made the decision he made about encouraging Roosevelt to build the bomb and all those people died? I’ve never thought of it that way until just now. Had he not made that decision in fear—we have to admit that’s fear-based: he went into his fear, he made this choice, he influenced something in the world that he was then dreadfully sorry for and had to forgive in his own life. Part of his forgiveness of himself I think is what he’s sending to the planet now.
Barbara: And that makes me tear up. In going back to the beginning of describing the minutiae of how we took the information from a channeling session on January 26, 1994, read it while we were having a fight, and instantly saw how making that different choice brought not only a different direction for us, but in that moment, I couldn’t have loved you two any more. It was so much love to sit down and say, “I hate my friend!” Theoretically, to say, “OK, I’ve been being crappy to my friends. I didn’t realize that.”
If we hadn’t had that conflict, I never would have—so that moment, that moment was a victory for Albert Einstein. It’s a personal one. We always said after the fact we felt like the angels had filled up the dining room and were watching and all applauding.
Lily: I wish we could help you understand what happened that day. Just talking about it, just reading the words on the page of what we went through on that day, does not capture it. Something happened in that moment, what’s the word? Alchemy. Turning lead into gold. It got us from, “I hate you, it’s all your fault!” to “Oh, my God, I can see what I’m doing, and I love you because you showed it to me. I love you because now I see it in myself and now I can heal it! Thank you.”
Barbara: Imagine, in the big seven generations of Albert Einstein, in that moment of seeing the process that he figured out—we have to change each individual, we have to require each individual to change themselves one step at a time, to watch it in action, to watch the success. I guess I never looked at it that way until this moment. It’s overwhelming to realize that we were volunteers and were chosen to be in that moment. And from that, everything else has sprung. Wow!
Is there anything else you want to share about your book, your work, your life? I know it’s coming out on Easter.
Lily: It is. April 16, 2017. Amazon.com. Working feverishly on my website right now to get everything to come together at the right time. It will be what it’s meant to be.
I’m grateful for this opportunity to talk to y’all and share this message. It’s up to us. That’s what Jesus said. “Greater things that I’ve done, you will do.” We have to step into that power. He left us all that we needed to know. I talk about that in the book. He left us all we needed to know to do this, and we are reinforced by the work of Einstein and the Party and the angels.
I was thinking a moment ago that A Course in Miracles says something along the lines of, “The holiest place on earth is where an ancient hate has become a present love.”
Lily: This information is universal. We are supported. We are loved. We are encouraged as we go through these experiences that we came here to have. Sometimes it just doesn’t come in a pretty package, but it’s still a gift.
Barbara: That’s http://www.WherePathsCross.net. Still under construction.
Kimberly Lilith Phelps
It is February 26, 2017. Here we are in the second part of our telechannel. I am in beautiful Minneapolis with my friend Kimberly Lilith Phelps, and you are all over. Let’s take a moment to close our eyes and take some deep breaths. As you breathe, think about the spectrum of potential that exists within you. Understand that it is not a sin or a fatal flaw or some disruption in the mechanism, but that the human consciousness was specifically designed to create the entire spectrum, from the worst most possible evil to the highest most divine good.
And we will command that only the most divine light shine down upon you at this time and the greatest good be present here.
It is such a pleasure to be here on this glorious day with all of you. Your conversations have so much power. The ideas that you are bringing forth and honoring and articulating are exactly what this world needs to hear right now. Everything that Barbara and Lily have been talking about is accurate and true. This work is being done not just by those of you who are listening, not just by Lily and Barbara, but also by millions of people around the world dedicated to becoming the change. Never before have there been this many people living on the planet with that awakening consciousness within them.
And indeed, it is the Christ consciousness that is making itself known to be human, humans, shall we say. Jesus, who always has been a very integral part of the Party of 12, comes again to illustrate and demonstrate through humans the idea of being human and being divine. His life on earth in the physical body was a demonstration of what is possible for any human.
This time on the planet, 2017, is like no other time that comes before it. When Jesus walked the earth during that time period and the development of the human mind and the human intellect was at a certain level of consciousness, he was dealing with an entirely different set of intellects and intelligences and human consciousness.
The New Operating System
Today (and all of you who are listening to this are included in this) this is, in fact, a new human. You are all embodying the new human prototype, and we are so honored and excited to be watching this emerge. We don’t want to talk too much about your political system. We don’t want to focus on any one individual who represents evil to you.
Because if you look at humans, there are those who support the person that you think might be doing the evil, who perceive others as actually being the ones who doing the evil. So there are those who truly perceive that the individuals in the Middle East who are known as ISIS, who are truly doing evil things, are the ones you as humans need protection from. And so much like Einstein, who urged Roosevelt to develop nuclear weapons and then watched as it destroyed humans, there are people on the planet who are looking in that way, who are seeing true evil but taking actions that are not addressing their own safety.
So it doesn’t matter which evil you put in front to address, whether it’s ISIS, Trump, Hitler, any number of world leaders who have been tyrants, who have destroyed lives and killed people. That doesn’t matter. What matters most is that each individual can look at those others whom they perceive as doing this evil and understand the true nature of what is going on. This is a spectrum where you yourselves must choose.
Saying No to Compassion
The idea of being able to say no to the voice of God is an important piece of your structure. God can come to you in the way of Intuition and tell you, “Rest your body,” and you can say no and make decisions that push you forward into making decisions for the good of the few—the ego that wants to be in charge—at the expense of a many.
Your Intuition, your Emotion, your Witness, and your Body are innate characteristics of being human. Now is the time when humans are arising to this truth and making the conscious choice to be the one who is going to make decisions for the good of the whole, starting with the self. Even though at this juncture in our experimentation we cannot guarantee anything, we can tell you that if you start with this basis inside yourself, where you are going to be ruled by an alignment to Compassion—guided by the voice of Intuition (which is the voice of the compassionate God within you), training the Intellect to do the bidding of the Intuition—then you will create a groundwork and be able to plant seeds in that energy of your own self that will grow to be the divine world that you’re seeking to create—where:
… The manifestation of the divine is on the forefront and where the spectrum of evil to divine gets unified into a spectrum of decisions guided by Intuition.
The Voice of Intuition
Oftentimes, because Intuition will impel you to take an action that may not logically impact the situation like you want it to, nonetheless, Intuition has a much broader amount of information given to it by the Observer out in the heavens, which is sending all the information of what’s happening in the Lens back to the Source, coming up your gravitational wave, being a part of your Intuition. It knows a much, much bigger picture than your Intellect will ever know. And even if you have a visionary Intellect like Barbara does, where you can see pictures of the future, your Intuition supersedes any intellectual power.
So to live by this system is what sets you up to manifest that greatest good on the planet.
The more that you can remove your own descriptions of how the future should unfold—what you want to see happen to unfold, what you think is good and divine that should unfold, what you judge is evil that shouldn’t be happening—your Intuition always, always will tell you the next step for the good of the whole. Your Intellect cannot. Your Intellect, however, must be the one that makes the conscious choice to listen to the Intuition and then make the decision to implement that step into action.
Einstein and the Bomb
In that sense, if we go back to Einstein making the decision to urge Roosevelt to create the atom bomb that then killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese people, he was following his Intuition based upon the circumstances of the times that he was in. He wasn’t conscious of looking seven generations. He thought he was taking action to protect the seven generations. He wasn’t aware that his fear-based decision-making would have such an influence as it did. And yet, in the greater, bigger, bigger, bigger picture of things, in the lifelong history of the planet earth to emerge humans onto the gardens, he was playing his part.
In that time, there could not have been another choice for him. There was no other choice for him to make in that time. Quite ironically, perhaps, had he not pushed this forward, had the U.S. not developed the nuclear weapon, it very well could have been that Germany had, and other massive damage was done, not to Japan, but perhaps to the U.S. In that sense, he would not have felt a personal responsibility that would drive him in Afterlife to the utmost end.
Oftentimes humans who have terrible things happen to them, whether they choose to do it—someone who chooses to murder someone—or whether it’s done to them—someone is murdered or some other evil act takes place—each has an impact that can be leading to the spectrum of divinity. It’s doesn’t guarantee it. It’s not a given. But when the murderer has perpetrated this act, if you look past it, there is a cooperative dance with the soul of the one who was murdered. Maybe you can’t see all other lives where they murdered each other back and forth. It doesn’t make it any less evil on a spectrum. But every act gives that human the opportunity to then rise above and transcend the spectrum.
Rather than having a left and right spectrum, where over here on the left is the evil and over here on the right is the divine, we want to switch it to where it’s up and down. On the most primal human physical world in the Lens, that is where evil is most likely to be manifest. And “up” in the divine, in the non-physical, in the whole system, in understanding your whole system, that is the divine, where you are living in the consciousness of God. Understanding your whole entire system, not just the Lens, not just your physical body, but your spirit, the gravitational wave, the string that spins, the three-pronged human intention, the compilation of consciousness coming out of the void—the whole ball of wax. That is what divinity is, living in that truth.
And when you are living in that truth, and there’s a part of you that is literally conscious when you’re going over the North Pole and back into the center of the earth, that spinning string, that is when you begin to alignment to Compassion. Because becoming aware and awake and conscious in that part of you that is close to the center of the earth in Emotion, in the part of the wave that is Emotion, by working on bringing that consciousness to life at that point in your entire operating system, you also instantly affect in your physical body your feelings. They’re interrelated: they reflect each other, feelings with a small F, Emotion with a capital E.
This is divinity. This is living in the alignment where Intuition impels Intellect to take action to fulfill the impelling of God that is in you. That is the way. Sometimes Intuition impels, as we say, in ways that you don’t understand with your Intellect. You’ve all had the experience where us think Intuition told you to do something, but then it turned out all verklumpt. It didn’t turn out to be what you think is for the highest good. But that is the challenge. You cannot judge what [outcome] is for the highest good.
The Trigger of Trump
So in the political arena, it’s very clear that having the candidate who may appear to be the most supportive of you might have been the least good for the whole. Because people might not have engaged as much as they have, as much as they are, standing up for each other, standing up for themselves. And therein lies the irony and the paradox of this work that we are doing with you, and of course the work of the ages of accepting whatever is happening right in front of you, no matter how evil it looks, as divine. Because the very fact that you’re sitting there in a physical body observing whatever’s going on around you is the manifestation of the miraculous power of Compassion and God. It doesn’t matter if you’re sick or fat or making good decisions or living a life of peace.
Just the very fact that your energy has merged with Compassion to create consciousness, and your consciousness has merged with the mathematics in your compilation to create mass and matter is a miracle that will need years and years and years in understanding from science. When you start with that, you also have to understand that the spectrum from evil to divine is a spectrum that exists within the Lens. Evil does not exist outside of the Lens. It is a byproduct of human decision-making. Without your physical body, when the Lens disappears but your string is still spinning with thoughts, feelings, senses, memories, and the hologram of your DNA in a space-time body, you are back to pure divinity, pure perfect creation.
HIGHLIGHT As Lily said, becoming human is about creating a physical space-time DNA body that is the housing of the energy that is married to Compassion that has formed this consciousness that is then married to the map of the physical world that is coming up through the center of the planet and into the Lens, creating the physical body, projecting all of that miraculous information out of the body through your thoughts, feelings, senses, and then revolving and coming back to you so you’re perceiving that universe. That alone is a divine process that cannot be undercut by any decision you make within your human form.
Now, humanity may very well make decisions that destroy the world, but the consciousness remains. The energy doesn’t die. A new world will be born. There will never be an end to creation. It will create in different ways. But right now, our desire is to inspire you to become those gods, to understand the power that you have within yourself, to set your intention to live a life where you are dedicated to making decisions for the good of the whole that start within you and then are projected out naturally into the environment.
Be Your Own Scientist
All of you who have experimented with this so far and changed your lives by using our suggestions and our processes (and others that aren’t labeled as ours), you have experienced you yourself picking up your power and changing your life and seeing how your change within you has affected the manifestation of the physical world around you. You’ve seen people you’ve previously been fighting with, who you thought were doing evil acts against you, shift and transform to where now you have peace with them. Not by going at them, not by trying to make them change, but by realizing that they’re a projection of your inner world. What can you learn from that projection if you’re triggered by it? What gift has that person come to give you if you’re triggered emotionally by it?
So not only do you revolve your focus back and find areas in your life you may not have ever seen if that person had not come to trigger you and be in conflict with you. They led you to Emotion that has abscessed that you may never have known was there. This dance of great cooperation is the very reason you are here.
We feel so optimistic right now. We understand that there is a lot of strife and destruction and evil going on in the Lens of your world right now and you are scared and stressed out. But what we see is a huge awakening. One of the reasons that we know this and that we’re so optimistic is exactly what has been talked about here today.
When we began these experimentations with Teresa and Lily and Barbara, it was a chaotic mess. And there were times when these three women used to call it “blowing themselves up,” when they would not speak to each other. If you just took it at face value, you would think it was a miserable failure. But over time, with each individual doing her own work, they have transformed their relationship, transformed their world together, transformed their individual lives first. Now there is a peace, and on the other side of it is the synergy of creation.
Anything is possible. What are you going to intend to create with this powerful energy that you have within you that’s married to Compassion that then merged that consciousness with the math to create the matter that you are experiencing? This is your creation. You get to work within that framework. What you are going to create, to intend? Take it from us. This is a time of such brilliance and great awakening all across the planet. Do not let yourself be stressed out and dragged down and fooled by what you perceive are those decisions that are being made.
We can tell you what we know and what Einstein has learned: it won’t matter what is happening as far as the evil, such at Hitler did, such as you may perceive Trump or the administration as doing. You cannot change it by going directly at it. For all of Einstein’s consternation about what Hitler was doing and his great devotion for traveling the planet and trying to fix the conflict at the level that it was being created, he did not succeed. He did not succeed in the short-term goal of stopping the Nazi empire from expanding. Part of what happened was an economic force. The economics ran its course with the Nazis. Part of it was a shifting momentum of how war operates. But even though the war ended, it did not end war. So it was a short-term fix, only to have it reemerge today with this global threat.
So don’t feel guilty if you can’t stop this movement by going directly at it. We’re not saying don’t go and march or write to your senator or congressperson or participate in that movement. But do that as an adjunct to this deeper understanding and to this deeper work that you now know how to do.
We are here as advisors. It is a strong purpose that brought together the original Party of 12. Each of those individuals, when they were in their DNA space-time bodies, had a passion for life on earth, for their environment, and their realm of where they were working. Upon losing their bodies, they came together to see if they could make this different, and we are seeing great, enormous success.
We have often said as well that what we are doing is something that is planting seeds. We see the seeds are growing. We are elated to see that the seeds that we have planted in Teresa and Lily and Barbara are growing into the magnificent outcome that we had hoped.
This growth won’t stop. In fact, after their passing, there will be an even bigger movement, and this information is so far ahead of its time that it will only continue to grow. But it is dependent upon you as human beings making decisions, making your commitment to do work for the good of the whole.
Q & A
With all of that said, we would like to open for any questions or conversations you might have.
Q: Hello! Thank you. That was lovely. My question has to do with, sometimes it feels that it takes a lot of time to do a revolution. It isn’t always fast. Some revolutions I’ve been working on I will work on for a year or more. Could you address how to feel more comfortable with that? When we look at the outer world and think things are happening so fast, how can our process where we sometimes have to be very patient with ourselves, with other people, with the process, taking time to dig deeper, how can we feel not like we’re not going to be able to keep up because sometimes the peace process take more time? It isn’t just building a bigger gun or bigger warfare.
A: What’s important to remember is that it is about what you achieve in a day. It’s not about measuring your actions against what you see happen in the news headlines or the latest story from the White House or the suffering and the pain of people around you. It is measured internally.
We did a series once called “World Peace in a Day.” It was reflective of that fact that if your body is the projector and the perceiver of the universe, then you are the world. You have the world inside you. And if at any time in the course of the day in which you’re living you can bring peace within you, that contribution is the seed that is planted. If you’re looking for patience, think of yourself as walking around the garden and sticking the seeds into the fresh spring earth and then standing there and belittling yourself because you don’t have a whole corn plant or your geraniums haven’t bloomed yet! What’s wrong with you? The world is going to hell!
Part of it is a nurturing of the self and instilling in you a repetitive, “Begin again. Begin again. Begin again.” Always begin each day as a brand-new day, and in any day you can’t find peace. [This is] world peace in a day. This is why you’re here, as Lily had said. You’re coming here to tackle all these issues. So even though you’re tackling all these questions, even though you’re feeling the frustration of it, it’s not that you’re doing it wrong. It’s that you’re doing it right because you’re doing it, however you nurture that relationship with yourself each and every day. Then there comes a point of faith, where you have to put your money where you mouth is. If this is what you believe to be the truth, you really have to live that way.
But the bottom line is feeling and breathing, because there are deep embedded abscesses of emotion that are stuck in the center of the earth from years and years and years and centuries and decades and all of this time that has passed where war didn’t stop war, partly because it hasn’t emptied that abscess in the planet.
So you as the whole planet have to keep emptying that abscess. It’s why you’re here.
Our suggestion is, when you get frustrated, give yourself activity alongside of the work you’re doing on yourself, alongside the work you’re doing in the world, to enjoy and appreciate and find a way to love life. Find a way to experience the deep gratitude of love that you have in this physical body—that you’re alive regardless of what’s going on around you—and do things that bring you so much joy, whether it’s an afternoon nap, your dancing, meeting new people, going for a walk in nature—you must make those choices also to find a way to love your life just as it is.
Q: I really like the writings from the Michael entity. There are a bunch of channels who write about the information from the Michael entity, about how people have different soul ages and how you go through different lifetimes, baby, infant, young soul, mature old soul. When I learned about that, it helped me let go and relax and accept people a lot, because I figure people are in their soul stages and it seems to fit. What’s your input on that whole concept?
A: We agree with the concept that there are conditions that you experience as a human being where now you’re in a physical body and you are experiencing the conditions of a young soul. That is, a human being who isn’t really tapped into empirical knowledge that you bring with you into that life. It’s like everything is fresh and new. That can go both ways as well. Just because there’s a young soul doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed that you’re going to be making mistakes or acting like an idiot. There’s freshness about it. And you can certainly superimpose each stage of life to the stage of the condition of your soul.
We feel that at this point there are many, many old souls who have chosen to come together at this time to bring that collective knowledge to the planet to be a synchronistic force of change of the evolution of human consciousness. But there are certainly still fresh souls, new souls, and teenage souls. And being an old soul, again, doesn’t guarantee that it’s all wisdom. There are people who are old in life who struggle with happiness, who are depressed at being at the end of life. There’s no guarantee that any one place on that spectrum will be better or more powerful than the other. It just is clearly a way to delineate sometimes between the conditions that humans are experiencing.
Q: I have another question. I look at life like there are all these souls who have all these chances to come on earth, and as time progresses (I know with the concurrent lives that whole idea of time is, I don’t know, I don’t get that, but …) I see that as time progresses some people who were alive with Hitler, all those people who were incarnated at that time got that experience and learned the lessons of that. And it makes sense to me that we repeat things, there’s some repeating just because souls who needed to learn those lessons and have those same types of experiences have to be able to have a chance to come, and that’s maybe why someone else like Hitler will come, because someone else needs to learn those lessons, too. Does that make sense?
A: Yes. And it is, in fact, the continual cycle of creation that is in play there. For example, those people who died in the Holocaust, because of the way that they died and the way that they lived at the end of their lives, their souls became a collective consciousness of Compassion. The people who perpetrated these things against them, the guards, all of the millions of people in Germany in support of the Final Solution and the Nazis, they, too, became a kind of group consciousness in Afterlife, learning about the impact of their decision-making. You can see a big auditorium filled with a debate, one side and the other, being able to have dialogue with those who died in the death camps, to be able to give them an opportunity to reincarnate and bring that balance.
What you saw was, for example, in 9/11, that many, many of the victims of 9/11 had been part of that group consciousness of the guards and supporters of the Holocaust. This is the nature of reincarnation and the nature of the creation of life. What we’re trying to do is to help end that karmic return so that you as an individual making decisions for the good of the whole and being very conscientious of all of the truth of history. You’re going to contribute to the unification of the human consciousness to where the idea that making decisions for the good of the whole means that if you harm another part of the whole, you’ve just harmed yourself. So now we have to recreate that.
It’s not a perfect science, because you have these billions of physical lives that interacted, came into Afterlife connected, and went back into the next life connected with a flip on things. It’s not a perfect science, but it’s what is going on right now. The more you can do this in your own life, the more you can help bring that unification in the longer term.
In other words, there are people maybe in your youth who were mean to you and hurt you. For you to find forgiveness means that you release that resentment, that attachment from them, that you find a peace within, that you find the reflection and heal your own, and then find love for them. That means you’re free now. You’re no longer doing this dance back and forth together, coming back in and living out these different lives. What will that look like, when humanity reaches that point? Then you have achieved heaven on earth.
Q: I hear energy healers talk about how energy is—some people say it’s speeding up or the earth is rotating faster or there’s getting to be a higher frequency. How is that affecting us physically? What is that about? Is that part of, as we get more enlightened, that happens? Are we achieving this, or is it just part of the progression of life that would happen no matter what we were doing?
A: It is a collective consciousness that is changing, but of course, the collective consciousness is just the product of millions of individual consciousnesses. You are a reflection of that collective consciousness.
But what is speeding up is that you as Cassandra allow your consciousness to become aware of the whole of who you are. So you’re not just in the Lens now, you’re conscious in the three human dimensions on the gravitational wave that is in the non-physical and in the center of the earth. You’re conscious of the part of you out in the heavens that’s observing. You’re conscious of the string that’s spinning down. What’s happening is that in those non-physical parts of the operating system, there isn’t time. Everything moves at the speed of light squared. But when that wave comes up to the surface of the planet and breaks through into the Lens and creates your physical body to be the projector and the perceiver, in that Lens, everything slows down to the speed of light and is separated.
But the more that you as a human, with that body that’s projecting and then perceiving, allow your consciousness to open up and you can be aware of these other places, you are bringing into the Lens a faster speed of light squared that exists all around you outside [the Lens]. So it’s not necessarily destroying the speed of light in the Lens, but it is overlaying the speed of light (M) with the speed of light squared (M2) of the non-physical that exists in the rest of your operating system.
And that whole operating system, when it gets to the Lens, slows down and everything separates and the chair is no longer inside you. That’s true. But also in that is the non-physical. In that, you have feelings, you have thoughts. Those are the non-physical. They exist in the place that’s traveling at the speed of light squared. So it’s a unification of those two worlds.
And it isn’t automatic because you’re human. It isn’t that every human will be consciously experiencing this. Some humans may not be consciously experiencing it. It still might be having an effect on them, making them sick or worry or confused because they don’t really understand what energy does, how energy works. They’re working just in the Lens and so they’re looking for answers that impact just in the Lens.
You as a doctor understand that sometimes people’s emotional state is so disrupted and they have no idea that it’s happening, but their physical body is responding to it. Your job is to not just treat their body, but bring their Intellect and their Intuition and their Emotion into view for that person so that they can begin making different decisions about how they’re going to deal with and release all that energy. It’s a very individual relationship that every human has to this expanding consciousness and this unification of the entire operating system.
Q: So to summarize, it sounds like as we collectively—the collective consciousness—as we evolve, we’re contributing to the speeding up of energy. It sounds like this is happening all over the earth to everyone, because even if people aren’t consciously working on it, it’s affecting them.
Q: But some people will be able to work with it more easily than others, is that right?
A: Yes. Those of you who have trained yourselves to understand what energy is, how it operates, will have a different relationship to it. It’s much like before you went to medical school, long before you became a doctor and didn’t know anything about how the human body operates in conjunction with itself. You went through a learning process, and now you have a whole lot of different ways that you would approach healing a physical ailment than you did before you went to medical school.
It’s the same way with energy. You and everyone who’s listening to this have been studying how energy works, so you’ll have a different relationship to it. When you feel anxiety, it’s more likely that you will choose to get out of your head and start to breathe that anxiety and attach an intellectual description to it that is loving and kind and says, “Here’s this wave of anxiety. I’ll use my breath to move it.” That’s a very evolved way of dealing with this very highly accelerated speed of light squared energy.
Other people don’t have that language, that focus, and they only know that they’re discomforted, so they’ll maybe go to the doctor and the doctor will give them some pills to make them not feel that anxiety. That is a whole other set of repercussions that come up for that individual making those decisions. So yes, you are correct in those assumptions.
Q: This whole idea of energy work is getting more popular, with Healing Touch and acupuncture and all techniques. It’s really exciting. It seems like it’s effective. But I always feel like it’s more of a short-term thing. Is that enough to get some people to where they just keep getting energy treatments? I feel like that’s a really healthy thing to do, but I want to do the other stuff, too. Can you review that?
A: It is as you say, a shorter-term opening. It serves to take some initial steps to get people acquainted with what emotional energy feels like in their bodies and how to adjust it in their body.
But eventually the goal is to have people be so self-aware and so self-monitoring that they not only understand and can feel this Emotional energy, but they understand that the decisions that they make affect how that emotional energy works within their body. The ultimate healing and control takes place within their own mechanism with the expansion of their own understanding of themselves. But in the meantime, those techniques to open up that energy to them are very important and very effective in those stages.
But we don’t think that humans were coming here to be dependent upon someone else or something outside themselves or some action that they take only to deal with Emotion in that way. It’s not meant to be the healthy operating system, that there’s a constant administering from without to deal with that state.
We are going to close the channel at this time and thank all of you who are listening and who have participated in this. This work is so important. We never want to see you underestimate the power of what you have within you. We are here to inspire you and inform you and educate you and sometimes prod you this way and that.
But ultimately you are the divine one. You are the soul seeking to manifest in human form the most divine human possible. You are, in fact, human. You are, in fact, divine. Every decision you make is the key to how you are going to help evolve the planet for the greatest good.
And then you only need to watch and be amazed.
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